Confederation and meat consumption

[anagogy]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. However, do you not think that paying for the artificial insemination of BILLIONS of animals every year constitutes as making it our "job to consciously regulate the amount of bodies available for 2nd density experience"?

That isn't the consciously regulating I was referring to. That's people trying to make more food. I'm talking about picking and choosing what lives are worth living and which are not. Which is what people like you are doing when you think we shouldn't breed more animal bodies. It isn't our place to choose. If the creator didn't want a being to have a given experience, it wouldn't use the experience (wouldn't incarnate).

I think it's about using the planet and its resources as a prostitute and not a maiden, personally. But I find it odd that you believe that eating too much fruit will make my teeth fall out, but producing too much garbage/poison waste won't affect the health of the planet? Do you think that it's perfectly fine to continue clear cutting old growth rainforests to meet the increasing demands for animal flesh?

I already said I wasn't arguing on behalf of agriculture. There are ways of improving it without resorting to all the fear mongering. I brought up the teeth falling out to point out that isn't the correct diet for the human animal. Because a fruitarian diet is basically the only diet where you are going to get enough calories and not have to kill the plant. You'll have to eat a lot of it. It will be a full time job.

We all know how our dog would react to being in a situation like this.

Your dog is late 2nd density, and possibly 3rd density. I don't know why I'm even responding. You aren't listening to a word I'm saying anyway. Those animals in farms are not 2nd/3rd, except in rare circumstances. And no you don't know what they experience, you just jump to the worst possible conclusion based on what you see. You see whatever you believe. The inner subjective experience can be radically different from what you mistakenly conceive based on outward appearances. I used to mistakenly offer help to people who didn't ask for it. I can't count how many people were offended that I thought they needed or wanted help. Appearances can be deceiving.

The animals' deaths are NOT quick. They slit their throats while they are alive so that their heart is still pumping, as this helps them bleed out and allows the processing of the body to be more efficient, not more humane. Sure, they COULD be improved, but even so - to take the life of something that does not want to die is to cause it suffering. Sure, death can be a natural process, but murder is not.

I'm not arguing for factory farms. What about a world where a large enough stock of animals is kept, and they are given plenty of free range, and that the only ones that are harvested are ones that die of old age, or illness. Would you be upset then? Is meat eating still wrong then?  

Plants don't want to die either. You are murdering them. You are murdering 2nd density organisms. You're a murderer. And no, you don't know what they experience.

Again, you are basically saying you don't think these animals deserve to have lived in the first place. Without agriculture, they wouldn't have lives in the first place. You want to kill them before they are even born. I want to give them the incarnation that the creator apparently still decided was worth living.

And of course, like every vegan acolyte, you will post pictures of dead animals, because nothing says I'M RIGHT like a big obnoxious picture of a strung up animal on your screen. Appeal to emotions. It works really good for gullible people.

They aren't just automatons for us to use without any thought to their emotional well being.

Nobody is advocating for that or saying that.

Pigs are proven to be smarter and more aware than most breeds of dogs, and in fact most other animals. Why some here don't consider them "higher second density" is beyond me.

And A.I. will prove to be far smarter than humans. It doesn't mean it will be enspirited. And no, most of them aren't higher 2nd density. But I can't prove that to you, so you can keep robotically offering your perspective, and I will keep robotically offering my alternate perspective. And you will keep eating plants, and I will keep eating animals, and nothing will change whatsoever. Be a boring place if we all agreed anyway.

Third density wasn't meant to be hard? We have a different understanding of the Ra material then... I thought it was about sacrifice.

I didn't say that, you're misconstruing my words. I said it wasn't meant to be SO hard. All these mental loop de loops to make your diet the only good diet for humans and nature.

Is there any concept of "sacrifice" in the Tree of Life?

It is a map of the archetypal mind, so anything you see in astrology, or the tarot is represented there too in some way.