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    Aion (Offline)

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    03-12-2018, 07:40 PM
    (03-10-2018, 09:58 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:
    (03-10-2018, 02:44 AM)Aion Wrote: Any person of any sexuality with talent, training or spontaneous inspiration can achieve sexual energy transfer and that with green-ray love as well. It is a commonly held occult convention that both men and women have both 'masculine' and 'feminine' energies, so it seems reasonable to me to think that regardless of sexuality this could be configured. I think that often sexual transfer is seen as one individual with 'masculine' energy and one individual with 'feminine' energy combining together like yin and yang. However, I think taking this same symbol we see that both individuals have both energies and BOTH are exchanged. So if a man and a woman have sex, both their masculine and feminine energies combine and I think the same is true with men with men and women with women.

    In that regard, I think that sexual magic relies largely on intention in determining whether it is balanced or imbalanced. Is energy being freely transferred between both individuals or is one individual taking more than giving? I think that white sexual magic develops through the refinement and enjoyment of a balanced and freely given transfer. Some thoughts I've personally had on the matter.

    Thank you for sharing! I think you are wise and insightful. I couldn’t quote the entire chapter in “The Sword and the Serpent” (which I highly recommend for those interested in Qabalah), but the Aurum Solis has the perspective that psychically the goal of the Adept is androgyny; balance/equilibrium of male and female within mind. They seem to share your perspective on the matter.

    I wonder, though, how many of these Orders practicing sex magick are practicing true white sexual magick? Or are the potentials generated being used for purposes other than self knowledge and transformation? I dunno, but if I’m not mistaken, sex magick has a high potential for misuse. Crowley thought himself to be positive. He trained Victor Neuberg with sadomasochistic slave/master techniques to break him. Later on, when Crowley was working the Enochian aethyr’s in the Arabian desert, Crowley had Neuberg sodomize him to achieve a certain magical polarity needed for the Rite.  (? I’m not too clear on the occult theory here. But this expedition was recorded so others can find it and look into it if they want. It’s very fascinating to say the least.)

    Sexual magick coming from Crowley doesn’t seem positive to my judgment. It seems more service-to-self, in the true sense of that term; serving the self at the exclusion of others, which means using others to benefit the self.

    Anyway, I’m not that interested in sex magick, honestly. For me this will be for a committed partner and I to experiment with. Sex magick is not why I seek occult training from a magical Order. Although of course with occult training one will have better knowledge to pursue sex magick, if he so desires to follow that path, which can bring one to full attainment.

    Yes, this is a classic idea in Alchemy which is the marriage between the "Red King" and "White Queen", the two internal halves of the Alchemist which are brought in to union. Qabbalah and Alchemy are intimately connected.

    I would say that when it comes to whole Orders there are likely none that are totally pure, but you can likely find positive work being done. I agree that Crowley's system seems to lean more towards pure self-development and attachment to one's will. I think sexual magic is a bit misunderstood. The potency of sexual energy isn't in the sexual act but in an understanding of what that energy actually is, which to my understanding is a raw creative impulse. Sexual acts are just the most obvious and direct way to make use of that energy, but it actually gets used during any creative act.

    Personally, it's not really my thing either. I don't think sex and magic need to be mixed. Some will argue about its potency but then, power isn't everything. I don't think you need to 'know magic' or be familiar with the occult whatsoever to have genuine white magical sex. It more comes about from open hearts I think.
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    Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-06-2018, 10:58 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by AnthroHeart - 03-06-2018, 11:03 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by xise - 03-06-2018, 11:20 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Diana - 03-06-2018, 11:46 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Glow - 03-06-2018, 12:29 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Highrculling - 03-06-2018, 01:25 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Agua - 03-06-2018, 02:34 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Quan - 03-07-2018, 03:43 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Minyatur - 03-07-2018, 07:05 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Aion - 03-06-2018, 02:50 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-07-2018, 10:10 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Aion - 03-07-2018, 02:11 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by MangusKhan - 03-06-2018, 08:55 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Minyatur - 03-06-2018, 10:43 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by AnthroHeart - 03-07-2018, 06:48 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Quan - 03-08-2018, 04:56 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-07-2018, 09:55 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by loostudent - 03-08-2018, 06:51 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Infinite - 03-07-2018, 11:24 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Agua - 03-08-2018, 02:43 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Infinite - 03-08-2018, 10:05 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Agua - 03-08-2018, 05:24 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-09-2018, 10:43 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by AnthroHeart - 03-09-2018, 11:36 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Mahakali - 03-11-2018, 08:36 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-08-2018, 10:22 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Sacred Fool - 03-08-2018, 12:01 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Aion - 03-10-2018, 02:44 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-10-2018, 09:58 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by loostudent - 03-11-2018, 08:44 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Aion - 03-12-2018, 07:40 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Jade - 03-11-2018, 01:10 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by MangusKhan - 03-11-2018, 12:12 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Agua - 03-11-2018, 05:11 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Aion - 03-12-2018, 07:49 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-11-2018, 09:24 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-11-2018, 09:38 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-12-2018, 09:38 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-13-2018, 08:47 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Aion - 03-13-2018, 07:32 PM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Nau7ik - 03-14-2018, 09:04 AM
    RE: Barred from Intiation? - by Diana - 03-14-2018, 01:05 PM

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