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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters Hopelessness

    Thread: Hopelessness


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    03-13-2018, 08:06 AM
    (03-12-2018, 03:05 PM)Rhayader Wrote: I have often resonated with this feeling. I seem to have another issue with free will though. If we live respectfully of every others free will, what right do we have to change or even influence the world? What right do we have to any action that could alter anothers free will? It would be unbalanced and unfair. So it would seem my hopelessness is that I have talked myself out of taking any action at all. The alternative would be that only my free will matters, and thus become STS. Of course its all rather more complicated than that.

    There seems to be a misunderstanding here.  There is nothing in Ra, Quo, or any other spiritual teaching that I know of which suggests in any way that acting is a violation of others' free will.

    Free will does not mean that you get to do what you like, or that nothing (and no one) impinges on you in any way.  The entire purpose of catalyst is to impinge on you and get you to act, and we are constantly being exposed to a stream of catalyst from ourselves (our own minds, emotions and bodies - hunger, thirst, fatigue, sex drive, etc.), external reality, and other people.  That is by design, and that is also why I think those who escape reality to meditate on proverbial mountaintops are missing an essential point of incarnation.  Experience is supposed to poke at you and get you to move.

    That is where free will comes in.  It is simply the principle that, in choosing how to respond to catalyst - how to act, really - we are to be ignorant of The Great Truth or "The One Right Way" to be (ie, those based on Love and Oneness of All).  We know of it - that has been made sure of by all the Great Teachers - but until we've chosen to experience what it's like to live the Law of One, it can very well sound like a bunch of hooey which we're totally free to ignore. 

    This allows us to fall into all kinds of problematic patterns and consequences.  Another term for Free Will is the Law of Confusion.  So, if you and the others are confused while acting, great!  Neither of you is violating free will Smile

    And we're all confused as hell here.  Unlike Q'uo, for example -- and this is why for them, violating free will is a concern, while for us it isn't, and they have stated as much when asked during channeling sessions - to paraphrase, "don't worry about violating free will, the Veil takes care of that for you, not a concern."

    So I'd say from your statement that Free Will is doing just fine, having allowed you to fall into the trap of confusion about its own nature.  All is as it should be.

    Again, free will is not about having every possible action open to you, or about not being exposed to catalyst -- rather, it's about being free to respond to catalyst in any of the ways that are available to you at a given time, without knowing for sure what response is "right" or "wrong" with regard to the greater Reality which has been veiled from us, for the precise purpose of allowing us to respond freely.

    So apart from free will, there is the question of how to polarize STO or STS, and that is indeed a separate matter.  In this regard the teaching is clear - any action intended with love (ie, goodwill) towards all parties is a good one, violating nothing; even better if it is somewhat balanced by wisdom, to the small extent that this is possible in 3D.

    Final question: do you by any chance have some OCD tendencies, such as scrupulosity?  This is not meant to be judgmental or offensive; just a hunch - if so, then it may help to realize the distortion that these conditions bring to our thinking, and to attempt to sidestep these unhelpful thought patterns, trusting instead that, as we have repeatedly been told, "all is well".
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    Hopelessness - by Surfboard - 03-10-2018, 10:35 PM
    RE: Hopelessness - by Cannon - 03-10-2018, 11:12 PM
    RE: Hopelessness - by Surfboard - 03-11-2018, 11:29 AM
    RE: Hopelessness - by Cannon - 03-11-2018, 06:20 PM
    RE: Hopelessness - by Rhayader - 03-12-2018, 03:05 PM
    RE: Hopelessness - by Stranger - 03-13-2018, 08:06 AM
    RE: Hopelessness - by AnthroHeart - 03-12-2018, 03:08 PM
    RE: Hopelessness - by Aion - 03-12-2018, 08:11 PM

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