05-30-2018, 07:13 PM
What Xatu describes has been the original mode of function of human society in ancient history and it is what made us rise into an intelligent civilization despite the weak body chosen by the logos - weak compared against elements, many other species and various other factors.
But a commune concept is also very difficult to manifest today, not only due to many biases and conditioning the spirits on this planet have passed through, but also there being a lot of established interests which would try everything in their power to prevent such happenings from taking place, as history tells us - for profit, for ideology, for sociopathy. Such a community would be a challenge and threat to the system of profit/exploitation we have today. And hence it would have to face the challenges created by the establishment doing everything in their power to prevent it.
Beyond that, the conditioning of the people by the system is a major problem. For, as a recent ground breaking study has discovered, majority of people are of what we describe as 'good' nature, ie, cooperative, concerned, thoughtful, but they are conditioned by the system and culture to behave selfish:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...after-all/
The large study concluded that when people are prompted to act instinctively, they chose cooperative choices majority of the time. But when given time to think, their social, educational conditioning kicked in, and they started to make selfish choices.
To put it short, majority of people are not selfish. The system educates them to become selfish.
It is a challenge to overcome such small selfishness-es even for those of us who had spent a lot of effort on a spiritual path, because we have grown up in such environments due to society having been engineered into that form...
I saw someone who had been involved in many communes saying that majority of communes fail within 5 years. In my opinion, people who seek to establish such a commune would need to be of very strong conviction, patience and tolerance.
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However that said, it is true that our future seems to definitely lie in that direction, and this doesnt seem to be something that is far away like 700 years.
For a change to have completed in 700 years, it must have incrementally happened. Things cant go on for 699 years and just pop up in the last year. There must be a process.
There are some processes already visible actually. Like the open source software movement, which liberated software technology from corporate hold, and allowed millions to cooperate and prosper together in anarcho-syndicalist fashion as described in sci-fi. There is open source manufacturing developing, there are initiatives for open source energy and farming. That is leaving aside 3d printing. There are even attempts at open source lawmaking, governance.
These are methods and systems which could readily transform entire society as it stands. Just look at how much they already did - you are reading a forum coded in an open source web language, sitting on a server which runs open source server software, costing a ridiculously small amount compared to what it would take to put up such a website back in 1994 - an arm and a leg would not suffice. This availability and abundance created by open source methodology actually coincides with descriptions of Marx regarding how an actual communist society would work - you could just take from the means of production (software), run an do whatever you want with it (this forum) and if you could improve it, you would contribute back to it (participating in open source projects). The problem is that, the server still runs on proprietary infrastructure - hardware needs to be made open source.
But the impact of open source methodology and its adoption with many non-software fields tell us that actually it is possible to change the society en masse, and it is already happening.
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So, on the question of whether we should change the society or create new societies, the answer is possibly both and at the same time. Because, not only the methodologies and technologies that would change the society would be needed for creating new societies, but also all the new, budding 4d societies created are all participants in the grand syndicated project of planetary 4d society. Not unlike how many software projects and communities in open source world are linked in some way or another today.
I very much think that tangible, perceivable change within our lifetime is possible. And this is without even talking about the AI, which will almost certainly invalidate the entire societal construct we use today...
But a commune concept is also very difficult to manifest today, not only due to many biases and conditioning the spirits on this planet have passed through, but also there being a lot of established interests which would try everything in their power to prevent such happenings from taking place, as history tells us - for profit, for ideology, for sociopathy. Such a community would be a challenge and threat to the system of profit/exploitation we have today. And hence it would have to face the challenges created by the establishment doing everything in their power to prevent it.
Beyond that, the conditioning of the people by the system is a major problem. For, as a recent ground breaking study has discovered, majority of people are of what we describe as 'good' nature, ie, cooperative, concerned, thoughtful, but they are conditioned by the system and culture to behave selfish:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...after-all/
The large study concluded that when people are prompted to act instinctively, they chose cooperative choices majority of the time. But when given time to think, their social, educational conditioning kicked in, and they started to make selfish choices.
To put it short, majority of people are not selfish. The system educates them to become selfish.
It is a challenge to overcome such small selfishness-es even for those of us who had spent a lot of effort on a spiritual path, because we have grown up in such environments due to society having been engineered into that form...
I saw someone who had been involved in many communes saying that majority of communes fail within 5 years. In my opinion, people who seek to establish such a commune would need to be of very strong conviction, patience and tolerance.
.........
However that said, it is true that our future seems to definitely lie in that direction, and this doesnt seem to be something that is far away like 700 years.
For a change to have completed in 700 years, it must have incrementally happened. Things cant go on for 699 years and just pop up in the last year. There must be a process.
There are some processes already visible actually. Like the open source software movement, which liberated software technology from corporate hold, and allowed millions to cooperate and prosper together in anarcho-syndicalist fashion as described in sci-fi. There is open source manufacturing developing, there are initiatives for open source energy and farming. That is leaving aside 3d printing. There are even attempts at open source lawmaking, governance.
These are methods and systems which could readily transform entire society as it stands. Just look at how much they already did - you are reading a forum coded in an open source web language, sitting on a server which runs open source server software, costing a ridiculously small amount compared to what it would take to put up such a website back in 1994 - an arm and a leg would not suffice. This availability and abundance created by open source methodology actually coincides with descriptions of Marx regarding how an actual communist society would work - you could just take from the means of production (software), run an do whatever you want with it (this forum) and if you could improve it, you would contribute back to it (participating in open source projects). The problem is that, the server still runs on proprietary infrastructure - hardware needs to be made open source.
But the impact of open source methodology and its adoption with many non-software fields tell us that actually it is possible to change the society en masse, and it is already happening.
..........
So, on the question of whether we should change the society or create new societies, the answer is possibly both and at the same time. Because, not only the methodologies and technologies that would change the society would be needed for creating new societies, but also all the new, budding 4d societies created are all participants in the grand syndicated project of planetary 4d society. Not unlike how many software projects and communities in open source world are linked in some way or another today.
I very much think that tangible, perceivable change within our lifetime is possible. And this is without even talking about the AI, which will almost certainly invalidate the entire societal construct we use today...
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