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    Thread: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst


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    05-31-2018, 11:20 AM (This post was last modified: 05-31-2018, 11:23 AM by rva_jeremy.)
    This question has bothered me too, Taralie. I think you've seen some wonderful responses in this thread.

    What I can offer that has stuck with me the most and been the most satisfying comes from the Buddhist and Stoic traditions.

    - Pain hurts because it opens our hearts, the tender space where all of our compassion lies. If the primary purpose of the illusion is to effect this heart opening, then should we not expect this amount of suffering?

    - Pain also hurts because it provides information about where we are blocked, where our thinking is out of line with our spirit. It is information, not punishment.

    - Pain and suffering are a part of a complete and balanced life. If we had no suffering, we would not recognize joy and comfort. It is crucial, I believe, to accept the full 360 degree circle of experience, for it is in the picking and choosing that we reject certain parts, and therefore have to experience them in starker relief.

    Think about the apprehension you feel when you see suffering in another. There is a desire to avert our eyes and close ourselves off from that suffering to protect ourselves from hurting along with them. Are we not going against the grain here? Isn't it possible that if we accepted what we saw in front of us, if we identified with the entity hurting and saw ourselves in them, that our compassion would grow? Would it not be an unstoppable force if all of us, instead of going about our day-to-day lives knowing there are people suffering, refused to neglect the hurt it instilled in us but instead acted, similar to how those of Ra describe their response to our call, as if a part of our own bodies were in pain?

    This, I believe, is the power of fourth density. It is the full transparency of individual lives that allows social memory to grow, and it starts by being willing to look and hurt along with those who are suffering, who are after all only playing their part, and a hard part it is. The key is to balance this technical purpose of suffering with the emotional depth, so that we do not simply abstract it but, more and more, allow ourselves to be swept up in it, to work with the energy of compassion and heartbreak, and through that acceptance to find ways to channel the Creator creatively so that we can play our part.

    I hope this helps!
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    Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 05-26-2018, 11:25 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by EvolvingPhoenix - 05-27-2018, 02:16 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Highrculling - 05-27-2018, 03:39 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-17-2018, 03:39 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Sprout - 05-27-2018, 03:43 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Louisabell - 05-27-2018, 06:20 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-17-2018, 03:56 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Infinite Unity - 05-27-2018, 11:36 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Sacred Fool - 05-27-2018, 01:17 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-19-2018, 11:31 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Sacred Fool - 06-21-2018, 02:42 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Cannon - 05-28-2018, 12:30 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by flofrog - 05-28-2018, 01:01 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-17-2018, 04:05 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by isis - 05-28-2018, 10:10 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 05-29-2018, 03:30 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by loostudent - 05-29-2018, 04:43 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Quan - 05-29-2018, 06:20 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Diana - 05-29-2018, 10:27 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 05-30-2018, 03:24 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Diana - 05-30-2018, 10:35 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 05-30-2018, 04:27 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-17-2018, 05:02 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-17-2018, 04:50 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-20-2018, 06:19 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Patrick - 05-30-2018, 10:58 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Minyatur - 05-30-2018, 06:23 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by unity100 - 05-30-2018, 06:14 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Minyatur - 05-30-2018, 06:49 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by rva_jeremy - 05-31-2018, 11:20 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by AnthroHeart - 05-31-2018, 08:15 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by loostudent - 06-01-2018, 05:38 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-01-2018, 11:12 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by kenney - 06-02-2018, 02:12 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by zvonimir - 06-02-2018, 10:34 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by flofrog - 06-17-2018, 04:59 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by unity100 - 06-18-2018, 09:35 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-20-2018, 06:06 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by loostudent - 06-21-2018, 11:22 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Diana - 06-21-2018, 11:31 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-21-2018, 12:32 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-21-2018, 12:37 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Minyatur - 06-21-2018, 02:46 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Diana - 06-21-2018, 04:05 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by flofrog - 06-21-2018, 04:35 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-21-2018, 06:22 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-21-2018, 05:06 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Minyatur - 06-21-2018, 11:55 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by flofrog - 06-22-2018, 02:15 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Minyatur - 06-22-2018, 09:18 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Patrick - 06-22-2018, 09:32 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Agua - 06-22-2018, 10:46 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Minyatur - 06-22-2018, 12:04 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 04-15-2021, 08:46 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by flofrog - 06-18-2018, 10:13 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Taralie Peterdaughter - 06-19-2018, 11:33 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-21-2018, 12:26 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Diana - 06-21-2018, 06:40 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Agua - 06-22-2018, 04:42 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 06-22-2018, 04:52 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by isis - 06-25-2018, 12:26 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by yossarian - 04-15-2021, 10:14 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by rva_jeremy - 06-22-2018, 08:45 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by rva_jeremy - 06-22-2018, 11:15 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Agua - 06-22-2018, 11:38 AM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by rva_jeremy - 06-22-2018, 01:02 PM
    RE: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst - by Infinite Unity - 04-15-2021, 09:07 PM

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