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    Thread: Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst


    Diana (Offline)

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    06-21-2018, 11:31 AM
    (06-20-2018, 06:06 PM)yossarian Wrote:
    Ra Wrote:to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator.
    Ra Wrote:To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body.

    There is no contradiction here! Both are precisely true and not mutually exclusive. In states of enlightenment you see both and you do both. You see the worst suffering as the love and light of the One Infinite Creator, and you are also moved by infinite compassion to serve and love that Creator in all guises, by, for example, feeding the starving.

    There may not be a contradiction. But the first quote I would not interpret literally, because to me, it is only a working theory that there even is or could be a "One Infinite Creator" as interpreted by us via the channeled material. And even more so, that "to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator" is a statement of real value here at this time.

    We are here, now. To philosophize about the meaning of life, the cosmos, the nature of reality, and so on is fun and possibly a drive we can't avoid as thinking beings. But in practical terms, saying "all is the love and light of the One Infinite Creator" can be a lovely way to view this world, but it can also be a way to avoid being accountable, responsible, empathetic, thinking for one's self, being open-minded to new perceptions, etc. I think one must take into consideration the nature of channeled material, the many cautions Ra has given regarding that material, and use discernment as to how this information is applied in a practical sense here in the 3D trenches.

    The second quote, however, makes perfect sense to me. It speaks inherently of nonjudgment, compassion, free will, unconditional love, and detachment; and doesn't require me to believe anything.

    (06-20-2018, 06:06 PM)yossarian Wrote: And from this vantage you also discover the purpose of suffering. The Creator knowing itself in exquisite perfection.

    Perhaps this is true; perhaps not. But even if it is, it would seem Chaos Theory has had a hand in the Creator knowing itself, and this 3D planet running amok.

    I personally do not consider it exquisite perfection when 3rd density entities have power over, and torture and kill, 2nd density entities and the planet. 


    There is another perspective—a more impersonal one. Humans have the tendency to give a Creator human qualities (calling the Creator "Father" and the like). Following that everything in this existence (universe) may have consciousness and seems to, one could imagine considering the whole of everything to have enormous consciousness commiserate with our own, expanded to infinite proportions. However, there is another way to see it.

    In David Bohm's Wholeness and the Implicate Order, he postulates (and I am paraphrasing) a field of infinite potential as the "implicate," and when acted upon by some force, say, observation, a portion of that field becomes "explicate." This is demonstrated by the double-slit experiment, where wave (infinite possibilities) becomes particle (one collapsed outcome) when observed. The reason I bring this up is because the implicate/infinite field of possibilities/the One Infinite Creator/the source of consciousness may be a really impersonal entity/force. This aligns with unconditional acceptance.

    So my point is that we humans are making up this suffering (the animals aren't doing it; the trees aren't doing it; a Creator isn't doing it). Though everything may be a part of the whole (implicate order, One Infinite Creator) it does not follow that "manyness" or experience should include anything in particular, as this would be conditional, and making creation into a slave.  

    To say we are experiencing whatever so the Creator can know itself may not be wrong, but it can take the form of "passing the buck." It gives humanity a reason to do whatever for the sake of the Creator and all is well no matter what. It is another form of avoidance like religions have offered. 

    If we are to embrace the full spectrum of experience, let's own it. Let's not say it's for the Creator. 
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