Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst

[flofrog]

I didn't say I was "beyond suffering" I said I was beyond a specific kind of existential despair and outrage with the creator for the existence of suffering. I'm not enlightened, but I did move from a place of being upset about this specific issue of "how could the creator create pain" to "oh.... now I get it"

Simillary, I also had strong moments of distilling the infinite principle of pain and, like with most things, what broke the paradoxical loop was to find acceptance toward the infinite nature of free will in its seeking derived from its being.

I think this is what "all is well" is about, not that wrongs will be righted but that everything is rooted in free will just as held in unity. Then there is no need to remain blocked or to desire control and rather the path of learn/teaching the love of acceptance becomes clear and one gains the ability to touch infinite intelligence in which all is known to be well and complete.

What I am apparently failing to communicate regarding this viewpoint is this: I DO get what you are saying. (And I think many do.) I HAVE felt this sort of comprehension (I call it detachment, and while I can be detached that never precludes compassion in the way I mean it), all except the "all is well" part. I simply don't like the ridiculous amount of suffering here; I take issue with it; but I have no desire to control it though I fervently hope it resolves to a more compassionate, intelligent, aware existence. Even if this a step along the path of evolution, that does not mean it has to be anything (or everything) in particular.

You may imagine, or anyone who has this "understanding," that you know what you're talking about. I submit that you don't; that there is no way, given the essence of evolution itself, that anyone can be at the end-all of "getting it," or even at a point in the path and saying—This is it then. Because our knowledge evolves.

I submit that we are all at some point along the path of understanding—even Ra. So, to that effect, what do we know? We know there is suffering here in 3D. We choose what to do with that knowledge. 

Regarding what Unity posted about witnesses having no business being here, I would like to muse a bit. How is being here worth anything to anyone if you are a witness only—even if you are radiating knowledge and unconditional love? Couldn't you do that without incarnating? All wanderers take a gamble coming here and not getting caught up in the maelstrom and thereby adding to it—this according to Ra and their own experience in Egypt being an example.

On the other hand, if the universe is basically impersonal and unconditional, as in Bohm's supposition, that leaves us with no constructed pathway such as the LOO or Christianity or Buddhism etc. It leaves us as humans wholly responsible for everything we create for ourselves and the planet we inhabit, and there is no loophole that says it's all for a Creator's experience.

This is not a difference in philosophy or "knowingness," this is a difference in perspective and individual responsibility, as I see it.

I so agree too about the questionable issue to be only a witness. Why incarnating then. All wanderers take a gamble, am so in awe of them.