(08-08-2018, 03:11 AM)Agua Wrote:(08-07-2018, 08:53 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: I think earth humans prefer comfort than the discomfort of spiritual seeking and the knowing of the self. Many have dropped down to second-ray consciousness, which is a consciousness consisting of being ruled by the emotions and feelings. I.e. orange-ray drop down.
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I don’t think of any of you guys here would be considered as stuck in a perpetual spiritual childhood. First, you are a wanderer most likely hailing from 6th density. You are an old soul. Wandering in 3D is like revisiting the consciousness of childhood. You have moved beyond third density long,
I have to say I dont agree with the parts I quoted:
I think its crucial to acknowledge, that wanderers also are earth humans!
That "portion" of us that we can access while incarnated here faces the exact same issues as everbody else.
In fact, from my observation I would say that wanderers have significantly more issues and difficulties to get the very "basics of living here" down!
I would also note that everyone is a wanderer in fact, including "earth humans".
As to the second part, I am pretty sure no one on this forum ( including myself) is even close to growing out of spiritual childhood at this time!
I think you overestimate your/our stage of evolution and underestimate what life will be like after "spiritual childhood"!
Lol.
Obviously wanderers are earth humans. Wanderers obviously are not better or lesser than anyone else. wanderers still need to polarize and do the work of third density. Ra said that wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind and body.
If (some of) ya’ll would read my comments in context, that would help facilitate a better understanding of what I am saying. In context, we are discussing the planetary population of 3D earth. Earth humans (obviously we are humans too) find themselves in a state of perpetual spiritual childhood. What does that mean? It means these souls are having difficulty pulling themselves out of confusion and polarizing. This is precisely why wanderers are here at this time. Wanderers can certainly get caught up in the maelstrom of karma and become stuck themselves.
I do not believe that the term “perpetual spiritual childhood” applies in this case because wanderers have moved beyond third density long ago in their soul’s history. They’ve grown out of childhood and have returned to that consciousness, temporarily, to alleviate the planetary suffering and dis-ease. Wanderers and earth humans are the same in mind and body, but not spirit. The spirit complex is not veiled. Wanderers must make their choice again (and from what is said by Q’uo, we were fairly confident in our ability to make the choice for the positive polarity again before incarnating, despite being under the veil).
I didn’t say wanderers are veiled just like native earth humans and that we are the same in mind and body because I thought that was an obvious understanding with anyone who’s read the Law of One Ra Material.
The keyword here is “perpetual”. It’s being repeated over and over again. It’s a subtle difference of not being able to get out third density to having gotten out of 3D and returned. at the soul level, these two are not exactly the same. One has done significant spiritual work in their evolutionary history and the other is only just beginning that work. Be it remembered that both are under the veil and in the same boat at this nexus in time. But that evolutionary work through the densities isn’t gone or deleted. It’s still there, under a veil, which can be penetrated somewhat. Ra said that Don, Carla, and Jim belonged to the percentile group of wanderers of the highest grade of remembering. (The other two categories were wanderers who discerned the sympomology of being a wanderer, and then those wanderers who are simply aware that they are different but don’t know why.)
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Anyway, thank you to blossom and Jeremy and peregrine for your comments! I agree that the refusal to take personal responsibility is a hallmark of “childhood” / immaturity. And Peregrine, you’re right. Your comments were honest and fair and more accurate than my observation. And it’s a better standard for discrimination / discernment of where our consciousness is predominant.