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    Thread: Regarding the One Infinite Creator


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    09-05-2018, 07:31 AM
    Propositions
    1: A substance is prior in nature to its states.
    This is evident from D3 and D5.
    2: Two substances having different attributes have nothing
    in common with one another.
    This is also evident from D3. For each ·substance·
    must be in itself and be conceived through itself,
    which is to say that the concept of the one doesn’t
    involve the concept of the other.
    3: If things have nothing in common with one another,
    one of them can’t be the cause of the other.
    If they have nothing in common with one another,
    then (by A5) they can’t be understood through one
    another, and so (by A4) one can’t be the cause of the
    other.
    4: Two or more things are made distinct from one another
    either by a difference in their attributes or by a
    difference in their states.
    Whatever exists is either •in itself or •in something else
    (by A1), which is to say (by D3 and D5) that outside
    the intellect there is nothing except •substances and
    •their states. So there is nothing outside the intellect
    through which things can be distinguished from one
    another except •substances (which is to say (by D4)
    their attributes) and •their states.
    5: In Nature there cannot be two or more substances
    having the same nature or attribute.
    If there were two or more distinct substances, they
    would have to be distinguished from one another by a
    difference either •in their attributes or •in their states
    (by 4). If they are distinguished only by a difference
    in their attributes, then any given attribute can be
    possessed by only one of them. Suppose, then, that
    they are distinguished by a difference in their states.
    But a substance is prior in nature to its states (by
    1), so we can set the states aside and consider the
    substance in itself; and then there is nothing left
    through which one substance can be conceived as
    distinguished from another, which by 4 amounts to
    saying that we don’t have two or more substances
    ·with a single attribute·, but only one.
    6: One substance can’t be produced by another substance.
    In Nature there can’t be two substances that share
    an attribute (by 5), that is (by 2), there can’t be two
    substances that have something in common with each
    other. Therefore (by 3) one substance can’t be the
    cause of another, or be caused by it.
    Corollary: A substance can’t be produced by anything else.
    In Nature there are only substances and their states
    (as is evident from A1, D3, and D5). But a substance
    can’t be produced by a·nother· substance (by 6).
    Therefore, a substance can’t be produced by anything
    else at all.
    This corollary is demonstrated even more easily from the
    absurdity of its contradictory. If a substance could be
    produced by something else, the knowledge of it would have
    to depend on the knowledge of its cause (by A4). And so (by
    D3) it wouldn’t be a substance.
    7: It pertains to the nature of a substance to exist.
    A substance can’t be produced by anything else (by
    the corollary to 6), so it must be its own cause; and
    that, by D1, is to say that its essence necessarily
    involves existence, i.e. it pertains to its nature to exist.
    8: Every substance is necessarily infinite.
    [The difficult demonstration of 8 has this at its core: if
    x is finite then it is limited by something of the same
    kind as itself, i.e. something that shares an attribute
    with it; but no substance shares an attribute with any
    other substance, so no substance can be limited in
    this way, so every substance is infinite.]
    First note on 7 and 8: Since finiteness is partly negative,
    while being infinite is an unqualifiedly ·positive· affirmation
    of the existence of some nature, it follows from 7 alone that
    every substance must be infinite; for in calling a substance
    ‘finite’ we partly, because of the negative element in finiteness,
    deny existence to its nature, and according to 7 that is
    absurd.
    Second note on 7 and 8: I’m sure that the proof of 7 will be
    found difficult to grasp by people who judge things confusedly
    and haven’t been accustomed to understanding things
    through their first causes. Such people don’t distinguish
    the qualities of substances from the substances themselves,
    and they don’t know how things are produced. This brings it
    about that they fictitiously ascribe to •substances the ·sort
    of· beginning that they see •natural things to have; for those
    who don’t know the true causes of things confuse everything,
    and have no difficulty supposing that both trees and men
    speak, that men are formed both from stones and from seed,
    and that anything can be changed into anything else! So,
    also, those who confuse the divine nature with human nature
    easily ascribe human character-traits to God, particularly
    must be an external cause of its existing. Now since it
    pertains to the nature of a substance to exist (already shown
    in this note), its definition must involve necessary existence,
    and so its existence must be inferred from its definition alone.
    But, as we have shown in 2 and 3, the existence of a number
    of substances can’t follow from a definition. So it follows that
    there can exist only one substance having a given nature.
    9: The more reality or being each thing has, the more
    attributes belong to it.
    This is evident from D4.
    10: Each attribute of a substance must be conceived
    through itself.
    An attribute is what the intellect perceives concerning
    a substance, as constituting its essence (by D4); so
    (by D3) it must be conceived through itself.
    Note on 10: From these propositions it is evident that
    although two attributes can be conceived to be really distinct
    (each conceived without the aid of the other), we still can’t
    infer from that that they constitute—·that is, constitute
    the natures of, i.e. are possessed by·—two different substances.
    . . . It is far from absurd to ascribe many attributes
    to one substance. Indeed, nothing in Nature is clearer
    than that each thing must be conceived under some attribute,
    and the more reality a thing has the more attributes
    it has—attributes that express necessity, or eternity and
    infinity. So it is utterly clear that an absolutely infinite
    thing must be defined (as in D6) as a thing that consists of
    infinite attributes, each of which expresses a certain eternal
    and infinite essence. If you want to know how we can tell
    when there are many substances, read on: in the following
    propositions I shall show that in Nature there exists only one
    substance, which is absolutely infinite. So there is nothing
    to ‘tell’.
    11: God, or a substance consisting of infinite attributes
    each of which expresses eternal and infinite essence,
    necessarily exists.
    If God didn’t exist, then (by A7) God’s essence would
    not involve existence; and (by 7) that is absurd. Therefore
    God necessarily exists.
    A second proof: For each thing there must be assigned
    a cause or reason for its existence (if it exists) and for its
    nonexistence (if it doesn’t). . . . This reason or cause must be
    either contained in, or lie outside of, the nature of the thing.
    For example, the very nature of a square circle indicates the
    reason why it doesn’t exist, namely because it involves a
    contradiction; and the very nature of a substance explains
    why it does exist, because that nature involves existence (see
    7). But the reason why [changing Spinoza’s example] a coin exists,
    or why it doesn’t exist, does not follow from its nature but
    from the order of the whole of the physical world. For from
    this ·order· it must follow either that the coin necessarily
    exists now or that it is impossible for it to exist now.
    These things are self-evident. From them it follows that
    a thing necessarily exists if there is no reason or cause that
    prevents it from existing. So if there is no reason or cause
    that prevents God from existing or takes God’s existence
    away, it certainly follows that God necessarily exists.
    But if there were such a reason or cause, it would have to
    be either •in God’s very nature or •outside it and in another
    substance of a different nature. It couldn’t be in a substance
    of the same nature as God’s, for the supposition that there is
    such a substance is, itself, the supposition that God exists.
    So it would have to be a substance of a nature different from
    God’s; but such a substance would have nothing in common
    with God (by 2) and so could neither give existence to God
    nor take it away. So a reason or cause that takes away God’s
    existence couldn’t lie outside the divine nature.
    It would, then, have to be in God’s nature itself. That
    would mean that God’s nature involved a contradiction, ·like
    the square circle·. But it is absurd to affirm this of a thing
    that is absolutely infinite and supremely perfect. (·That is
    because •a contradiction must involve something of the form
    ‘P and not-P—a ‘square circle’ would be something that was
    ‘square and not square’ because ‘not square is contained
    in the meaning of ‘circle’—and •a thing that is infinite and
    perfect is one whose nature involves nothing negative, so
    nothing of the contradictory form·.) So there is no cause
    or reason—either in God or outside God—that takes God’s
    existence away. Therefore God necessarily exists.
    A third proof: [slightly expanded from Spinoza’s very compact
    statement of it] To be unable to exist is to lack power, and
    conversely to be able to exist is to have power (this is
    self-evident). Now, suppose that God doesn’t exist but some
    finite things do exist necessarily. In that case, these finite
    things are more powerful than an absolutely infinite thing
    (because they can exist and the absolutely infinite thing
    can’t). But this is self-evidently absurd. So either nothing
    exists or an absolutely infinite thing also exists. But we
    exist, either in ourselves as substances that necessarily exist
    or as qualities of something else that necessarily exists (see
    A1 and 7). Therefore an absolutely infinite thing—that is (by
    D6) God—necessarily exists.
    Note on the third proof of 11: In this last demonstration
    I wanted to show God’s existence a posteriori (·bringing in
    the contingent fact that we exist·), so as to make the demonstration
    easier to grasp—but not because God’s existence
    doesn’t follow a priori from the same premises. For since
    being able to exist is power, it follows that the more reality
    belongs to the nature of a thing the more powers it has, of
    itself, to exist. Therefore an absolutely infinite thing (God)
    has of itself an absolutely infinite power of existing. For that
    reason, God exists absolutely. Still, there may be many who
    won’t easily see the force of this proof because they have
    been accustomed to think only about things that flow from
    external causes. And of those things they see that •the ones
    that quickly and easily come into existence also easily perish.
    And conversely, they judge that •complicated and intricately
    structured things are harder to produce, i.e. that they don’t
    exist so easily. I might free them from these prejudices
    by looking into •what truth there is in the proposition that
    what quickly comes to be quickly perishes, and considering
    whether •all things are equally easy in respect to the whole
    of Nature (·I think they are·). But I shan’t go into any of that.
    All I need here is to point out that I am here speaking not
    of things that come into existence from external causes but
    only of substances, which (by 6) can’t be produced by any
    external cause. For things that come to exist from external
    causes—whether they have many parts or few—owe all their
    perfection or reality to the power of the external cause; and
    therefore their existence arises only from the perfection of
    their external cause and not from their own perfection. On
    the other hand, whatever perfection a substance has is not
    due to any external cause; so its existence must follow from
    its nature alone; so its existence is nothing but its essence.
    So perfection doesn’t take away the existence of a thing, but
    on the contrary asserts it. But imperfection takes it away. So
    there is nothing of whose existence we can be more certain
    than we are of the existence of an absolutely infinite thing, i.e.
    a perfect thing, i.e. God. For since God’s essence •excludes
    all imperfection and •involves absolute perfection, by that
    very fact it removes every cause of doubting God’s existence
    and gives the greatest certainty concerning it. I think this
    will be clear to you even if you are only moderately attentive!
    12: No attribute of a substance can be truly conceived
    from which it follows that the substance can be divided.
    Suppose that a substance can be conceived as being
    divisible; then either its parts will also have the nature
    of the substance or they won’t. If they •do, then (by
    8) each part will be infinite, and (by 7) will be its own
    cause; and (by 5) each part will have to consist of a
    different attribute. And so many substances can be
    formed from one, which is absurd (by 6). Furthermore,
    the parts would have nothing in common with their
    whole (by 2), and the whole (by D4 and 10) could
    exist without its parts and be conceived without them;
    and no-one can doubt that that is absurd. But if on
    the other hand the parts •do not retain the nature
    of substance, then dividing the whole substance into
    equal parts would deprive it of the nature of substance,
    meaning that it would cease to exist; and (by 7) that
    is absurd.
    13: A substance that is absolutely infinite is indivisible.
    If it were divisible, its parts would either retain the
    nature of an absolutely infinite substance or they
    wouldn’t. If they did, then there would be a number
    of substances of the same nature, which (by 5) is
    absurd. If they didn’t, then (as in 12) an absolutely
    infinite substance could ·be divided into such parts
    and thereby· cease to exist, which (by 11) is also
    absurd.
    Corollary: No substance is divisible, and thus no corporeal
    substance, insofar as it is a substance, is divisible. [This use
    of ‘insofar as’ is explained on page 9 just above the start of section V.]
    Note on 12–13: That substance is indivisible can be understood
    more simply merely from this: the nature of substance
    can’t be conceived other than as infinite, whereas ‘a part of
    a substance’ can only mean a finite substance, which (by 8)
    implies a plain contradiction.
    14: God is the only substance that can exist or be
    conceived.
    Since God is an absolutely infinite thing, of whom no
    attribute expressing an essence of substance can be
    denied (by 6), and God necessarily exists (by 11), if
    there were a substance other than God it would have
    to be explained through some attribute of God; ·but
    explanations can flow only within attributes, not from
    one attribute to another·; and so two substances with
    an attribute in common would exist, which (by 5) is
    absurd. So no substance other than God can exist;
    and none such can be conceived either, for if it could
    be conceived it would have to be conceived as existing,
    and the first part of this demonstration shows that to
    be absurd. Therefore, God is the only substance that
    can exist or be conceived.
    First corollary: God is unique, i.e. (by 6) in Nature there is
    only one substance, and it is absolutely infinite.
    Second corollary: An extended thing and a thinking thing
    are either attributes of God or (by A1) states of God’s attributes.
    15: Whatever exists is in God, and nothing can exist or
    be conceived without God.
    14 secures that apart from God there cannot exist (or
    be conceived) any substance, i.e. (by D3) any thing
    that is in itself and is conceived through itself. But
    (by D5) modes can’t exist or be conceived without a
    substance ·that they are modes of ·. So modes can
    exist only in the divine nature, and can be conceived
    only through that nature. But (by A1) substances and
    modes are all there is. Therefore, everything is in God
    and nothing can be or be conceived without God.
    Note on 15: [This text follows Curley in numbering sections of this
    note, and of the note on 17 and the Appendix, as an aid to reference.]
    I. Some people imagine a God who is like a man, consisting
    of a body and a mind, and subject to passions. But
    how far they wander from the true knowledge of God is
    shown well enough by what I have already demonstrated,
    and I shan’t talk about them any more. Everyone who has
    to any extent contemplated the divine nature denies that
    God is corporeal. This is best proved from the fact that by
    ‘a body’ we understand a quantity that has length, breadth,
    and depth, • by some specific shape. Nothing could be more
    absurd than to say this about God, i.e. about a thing that is
    infinite [= •’unlimited’.]
    In trying to demonstrate this same conclusion by different
    arguments from mine, some people clearly show that ·as
    well as denying that God is or has •a body· they conclude
    that the divine nature doesn’t in any way involve corporeal
    or •extended substance. They maintain that the corporeal
    world, ·rather than being part of God’s nature·, has been
    created by God. But by what divine power could it be
    created? They have no answer to that, which shows clearly
    that they don’t understand what they are saying.
    At any rate, I have demonstrated clearly enough—in my
    judgment, at least—that no substance can be produced or
    created by any other (see the corollary to 6 and the second
    note on 8). Next, I have shown (14) that God is the only
    substance that can exist or be conceived, and from this I
    have inferred in the second corollary to 14 that extended
    substance is one of God’s infinite attributes. To explain
    all this more fully, I shall refute my opponents’ arguments,
    which all come down to these two.
    II. First, they think that corporeal substance, insofar
    as it is substance, consists of parts. From this they infer
    that it cannot be infinite, and thus cannot pertain to God.
    They explain this through many examples, of which I shall
    mention three.
    •If corporeal substance is infinite, they say, let us conceive
    it to be divided into two parts. If each part is finite, then an
    infinite is composed of two finite parts, which is absurd. If
    each part is infinite, then there is one infinite twice as large
    as another, which is also absurd. •Again, if an infinite quantity
    is measured by parts each equal to a foot, it will consist
    of infinitely many of them, as it will also if it is measured by
    parts each equal to an inch. So one infinite number will be
    twelve times as great as another, which is no less absurd.
    •Finally, suppose that from one point in something of infinite
    extent two lines are extended to infinity. Although near
    the beginning they are a certain determinate distance apart,
    the distance between them is continuously increased ·as
    they lengthen·, until finally it stops being determinate and
    becomes indeterminable; ·which is also absurd·. Since these
    absurdities follow—so they think—from the supposition of an
    infinite quantity, they infer that corporeal substance must
    be finite and consequently cannot pertain to God’s essence.
    III. Their second argument is also drawn from God’s
    supreme perfection. For, they say, God as a supremely
    perfect thing cannot be acted on. But corporeal substance,
    since it is divisible, can be acted on; ·anything that is
    divisible can be pulled apart by outside forces·. So it follows
    that corporeal substance does not pertain to God’s essence.
    IV. These are the arguments that I find being used by
    authors who want to show that corporeal substance is
    unworthy of the divine nature, and cannot have anything to
    do with it. But anyone who is properly attentive will find that
    I have already replied to them, since these arguments are
    based wholly on the supposition that corporeal substance is
    composed of parts, which I have already (12 and corollary to
    13) shown to be absurd. Anyone who wants to consider the
    matter rightly will see that all those absurdities (if indeed
    that’s what they are) from which they infer that extended
    substance is finite don’t at all follow from •the supposition
    of an infinite quantity, but from •supposing that an infinite
    quantity might be measurable and composed of finite parts.
    All they are entitled to infer from the absurdities they have
    uncovered is that infinite quantity is not measurable and is
    not composed of finite parts. This is just what I have already
    demonstrated above (12, etc.). So the weapon they aim at
    me turns against themselves. . . .
    Others, imagining that a line is composed of points, know
    how to invent many arguments showing that a line can’t be
    divided to infinity. And indeed it is just as absurd to say that
    corporeal substance is composed of bodies, or parts, as it is
    to say that a body is composed of surfaces, the surfaces of
    lines, and the lines of points.
    This must be admitted by all those who know that clear
    reason is infallible, and especially those who deny that there
    is a vacuum. For if corporeal substance could be divided
    into parts that were really distinct, why couldn’t one part be
    annihilated while the rest remained inter-related as before
    (·thus creating a vacuum·)? Why must they all be so fitted
    together that there is no vacuum? If two things are really
    distinct from one another ·rather than being different modes
    or aspects of a single substance·, one of them can stay
    where it is whatever the other does. But there isn’t any
    vacuum in Nature (a subject I discuss elsewhere, ·namely
    in my Descartes’s Principles, part 2, propositions 2 and
    3·); all the parts of Nature do have to hang together so
    that there is no vacuum; so it follows that those parts are
    not really distinct from one another, ·i.e. that they are not
    distinct things·, which is to say that corporeal substance,
    insofar as it is a substance, cannot be divided

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