(12-24-2010, 04:06 AM)unity100 Wrote:I understand your points and there is no doubt they are intelligent (so are apes and border collies) and have protected people. But note how we project those qualities that we like on the whole and blindly see anomalous behavior as the norm.(12-23-2010, 11:37 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Please, whales and dolphins are obviously higher-order mammals, like chimps, but nonetheless they are definitely 2D creatures in 2D vehicles - no matter how much we can relate to their intelligence and behavior.
that is the current planetary society's perception of things. ironically it ranks entities so that, the current dominant species, itself, stays on top of the pile, conveniently.
it doesnt need mentioning that a whopping amount of perceptions of this planetary society regarding consciousness and existence, do not hold. and continually changing.
cetaceans distinguish in between entities. they are able to distinguish a human from another entity. moreover, they are able to distinguish a human in distress, from a human that is not in distress.
dolphins do not go about rescuing people who are swimming leisurely at sea. but, the cases of dolphins rescuing drowning people are numerous in history.
even humans are not able to perceive such distress in the middle of a city on average.
the whales who are able to attack and eat anything at sea, do not attack humans.
it can be expanded into various other branches of examination. but, these are sufficient indicators to an EQ that even surpasses humans.
in regard to iq, the researches show that the cetaceans are quite capable enough, even to the point of being trained for sinking battleships by attaching the explosives strapped on their backs to the bottom of the ships, leave aside other researches in regard to cognitive capabilities of these entities.
if you put it into context, unfortunately probably 50-6% of the human population would even rank behind cetaceans in regard to iq. (not even mentioning eq). yet, noone is ranking them as 2d entities.
its just a body. body is dependent on the choice of the logos and the chemicals available within the planet, as Ra tells us. moreover, they say this is a moment's choice by the logos and can change.
We also know the 3rd density is about having the opportunity to make choices, experience catalyst, self-reflection, archetypal patterning, tool-making, culture, creativity, planning for the future, etc. In the wild, dolphins are parasite-ridden creatures with a 20-year lifespan. Killer whales (also Cetaceans) have been documented hunting and eating dolphins. Dolphins will attack and kill other Cetaceans: porpoises (which don't compete for same food supply). Male dolphins normally bite and scar each other in competition for females. Dolphins will kill their own pups.
We can admire and protect them, but they are what they are. Maybe their vehicles are inhabitable by 3rd density consciousness - but it would seem to be a wasteful investment.