(12-09-2018, 09:47 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: Hi Tae-
No worries. I think if you take a closer look at what I wrote there, it was making an if... then statement to establish a boundary. I didn't ask Agua to stop posting at this time, and I'm more than happy to continue discussing so long as we do not stray again into speculation about my own evolutionary status, as compared to others.
As has also been pointed out, we cannot tell anything about an individual's spiritual station from looking at the exterior, or perhaps even the energy, of a person from the outside. It is an exercise in futility.
However, we do know from Q'uos teachings that there is a large group of people who exist in the "sinkhole of indifference" and who continue to refuse to make a choice, the making of which is the main point of incarnating at this time. We also know, according to others of Q'uos teachings, that those selfsame souls, along with the rest of us, are those who stand to be most likely to grow in this environment. Finally, I think we may also safely presume that, for one who has not yet made the choice, that there is no further growth and spiritual work available to them until that choice has been made.
My intent with this thread is to discuss that group as a totality, and not any individuals, or myself in relation to such an individual. So that would be the off-topic part.
The question is around what the souls comprising that group might be like from outside the illusion. I hope that helps clear things up.
In that regard personally I look at the as within, so without, as above, so below parallel of humanity = one self.
We are not fully enlightened(solved for) so the body of us as a totality will also likely carry shadow.
I am not sure that came across right so in another way.
If as an individuated self we are only 60%(which would be high) distortion/shadow/illusion free, that leaves 40% of self carrying varying portions of distortion/shadow/illusion.
Also consider that darkness is used as catalyst to bring further light, those sleeping some at least may very well be serving a purpose as catalyst to awaken/enlighten the remaining theoretical 40%.
My opinion just sharing, not calling it gospel.
