David Wilcock

[yossarian]

Lol, well if neither of us are willing to dig out the archive we're at an impasse I'll go look up the spaceship thing.

Sorry for calling you old.

When I said you're not familiar with the internet, I just meant you aren't familiar with the internet generation. No one expects blogs to be well-referenced, so I didn't understand why you were criticizing a blog post for not being up to an academic standard.

If you aren't familiar with the stuff David mentioned about the factions etc, then you just aren't familiar with a huge chunk of whistleblower testimony and behind-the-scenes politics. This is expected though... no one can do everything. We all have to specialize. This isn't an insult.

Edit: What can I say. The only references to pre-trib-rapture-via-UFO that I can find and know of made by David are in 1999 readings and possible some later allusions to those readings in blog posts. I know for a fact he has since contradicted this idea by saying he believes 2012 represents a spontaneous shift into time/space which is a hyperdimensional physics thing that he and Hoagland worked out. So I mean whether you agree with this particular theory or not, it's not pre-trib-rapture-via-UFO anymore.

Pre-trib-rapture is an interesting question on its own though. What do the STS people have to gain by pushing that? Clearly they have been with the Darby bible and all those protestant sects which believe in it, as well as lots of channeling that seems less than positive, but wtf? Why bother? Do we really believe they have the capabilities to abduct people if they give consent like Peter Newton believes? Seems outlandish. I have no idea why the STS people push pre-trib-rapture but it sure seems that they do.

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Concerning the other 6 assertions that you think are contrary to TLOO...

1. He claims he channels Ra? He has in recent years recanted and revised this position by more recently suggesting it is not the same Ra specifically, but now only in fact a "ra" within the group of "Ra"?

I really don't see how this is contrary to TLOO. Did Ra say somewhere that Ra can only be channeled by Carla?

2. He claims he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. On reading many of his less than flattering posts as regards Edgar Cayce, these involving everything from what he claims are Cayce's co-dependency issues to his personal character, which further include the personnel that supported and surrounded this very famous healer and psychic, is it a small wonder that the A.R.E. (The Association for Research and Enlightenment, i.e. being the Cayce Foundation) refused to accept him as such? One may assume there were undoubtedly many more reasons as well that they refused to acknowledge his claims.

Again, this just doesn't seem contrary to TLOO. Could you be specific as to how this is contrary?

6. When questioned as an academic on these points as relates to the LOO he utilizes a rather poor ubiquitous if not lame defense that he is being attacked by a "Negative Greeting" as if to suggest that one may not question his opinion, less the one questioning him be construed as a minion of the STS agenda, if not directly in league with the illuminati itself? This again is all very well documented and is in no manner conjecture. Using a "Negative Greeting" as a defense, this to openly contradictory statements made as regards the LOO while claiming authority on the LOO wipes out and destroys any semblance of any attempt at an academic or scholarly discussion which he claims himself capable of, this by suggesting he is in fact an academic and a scholar? It is akin to holding up a crucifix at a town-hall meeting while accusing one's neighbor of being a vampire for nothing more than questioning a 'so called' academic opinion, and for participating within the town hall in friendly and open discourse which is presumably the reason for the town-hall? It's just downright comedic if not silly.

It's true that he doesn't engage detractors directly, but how is this contrary to TLOO? Isn't this just a personal sort of beef you have against him? Like it peeves you that he doesn't let people criticize him on his forum?

This is a legit complaint as are many of your complaints, but I just don't see how they "run contrary to TLOO" (again, except for pre-trib-rapture)

7. Mr Wilcock has furthermore on more than one occasion cast personal and disparaging remarks in his posts not only against Carla's Quo, but more importantly against Carla herself, and the L/L group itself, this as regards their personal character and their personal behavior? Again, this is memorialized by his own hand? Now, just for scholarly entertainment, why would a scholar question the legitimacy of information on Carla's Quo who is the same person that in fact channeled the Ra of the LOO, while he channels a familiar named source such as little Ra, who originally was thought to be big Ra, but now has been made more clear to be a Ra within the group of Ra (?), and this is to be assumed to be a more reputable source than Quo? I am lost as to the scholarly thought processes? I am further lost as to why a scholar or academic would mask or glove a personal attack on Carla, or the L/L personnel as regards their character? Again, this is all memorialized in writing by his own hand.

It's true that he does these things and maybe he is wrong to do so, but how does it contradict TLOO?

As far as I can tell the only assertion you've made that has anything to do with TLOO is the pre-trib-rapture, which is why that is the only point I addressed.

These other things are legitimate criticisms of his style, criticisms that I share to an extent, but they don't seem contradictory to TLOO to me.

I've wracked my brain to think of anything he's said that runs contrary to TLOO. He says stuff that is not included in TLOO, but it's rarely contrary or contradictory to TLOO philosophy. As least as far as I can tell.

You copied and pasted his blog post but I really just repeat my question for each of your "question marks". David mentions that humans have ET technology - this doesn't contradict Ra. In fact Ra supports it in the first book, except Don Elkins removed the part where Ra supported it in the initial editions.

Session 8 of The Law of One by Ra, An Humble Messenger
January 26, 1981

Questioner: There was a portion of the material from yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your own people; some are of the group known to you as Orion.�? My first question is what did you mean by the landings are of your peoples?

Ra: I am Ra. Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation whereby neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small.

Questioner: Are these craft that are of our peoples from what we call our--planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based?

Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples’ societal divisions or structures.

The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.

Questioner: Where do the people who operate these craft come from? Are they affiliated with any nation on Earth? What is their source?

Ra: These people come from the same place as you or I. They come from the Creator.

As you intend the question, in its shallower aspect, these people are those in your and otherselves’ governments responsible for what you would term national security.

Questioner: Am I to understand then that the United States has these craft in undersea bases?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

Questioner: How did the United States learn the technology to build these craft?

Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex know to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty-seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples. The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid. That is a contributing factor to our more cautious approach at this date, even as the need is power upon power greater, and your peoples call is greater and greater.

Questioner: I’m puzzled by these craft which have undersea bases. Is this technology sufficient to overshadow all other armaments? Do we have the ability to just fly in these craft or are they just craft for transport? What is the basic mechanism of their power source? It’s really hard to believe is what I’m saying.

Ra: I am Ra. The craft are perhaps misnamed in some instances. It would be more appropriate to consider them as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. The weaponry is of two basic kinds: that which is called by your peoples psychotronic and that which is called by your peoples particle beam. The amount of destruction which is contained in this technology is considerable and the weapons have been used in many cases to alter weather patterns and to enhance the vibratory change which engulfs your planet at this time.

Questioner: How have they been able to keep this a secret? Why aren’t these craft in use for transport?

Ra: The governments of each of your societal division illusions desire to refrain from publicity so that the surprise may be retained in case of hostile action from what your peoples call enemies

Questioner: How many of these craft does the United States have?

Ra: I am Ra. The United States has 573 at this time. They are in the process of adding to this number.

Questioner: What is the maximum speed of one of these craft?

Ra: I am Ra. The maximum speed of these craft is equal to the Earth energy squared. This field varies. The limit is approximately one-half the light speed, as you would call it. This is due to imperfections in design.

Questioner: Wouldn’t this type of craft come close to solving a lot of the energy problems as far as transport goes?

Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.

Questioner: You also said that some of the landings at this time were of the Orion group. Why did the Orion group land here? What is their purpose?

Ra: I am Ra. Their purpose is conquest, unlike those of the Confederation who wait for the calling. The so-called Orion group calls itself to conquest.

Questioner: Specifically, what do they do when they land?

Ra: I am Ra. There are two types of landings. In the first, entities among your peoples are taken on their craft and programmed for future use. There are two or three levels of programming. First, the level that will be discovered by those who do research. Second, a triggering program. Third, a second and most deep triggering program crystallizing the entity thereby rendering it lifeless and useful as a kind of beacon. This is a form of landing.

The second form is that of landing beneath the Earth’s crust which is entered from water. Again, in the general area of your South American and Caribbean areas and close to the so-called northern pole. The bases of these people are underground.

Questioner: The most startling information that you have given me, which I must admit that I’m having difficulty believing, is that the United States has 573 craft of the type which you described. How many people of United States designation are aware of this, including those who operate them?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of your peoples varies, for there are needs to communicate at this particular time/space nexus so that the number is expanding at this time. The approximate number is 1,500. It is only approximate for as your illusory time/space continuum moves from present to present at this nexus many are learning.

Questioner: Where are these craft constructed?

Ra: These craft are constructed one by one in two locations: in the desert or arid regions of your so-called New Mexico and in the desert or arid regions of your so-called Mexico, both installations being under the ground.

Questioner: You say that the United State actually has a manufacturing plant in Mexico?

Ra: I am Ra. I spoke thusly. May I, at this time, reiterate that this type of information is very shallow and of no particular consequence compared to the study of the Law of One. However, we carefully watch these developments in hopes that your peoples are able to be harvested in peace.

Questioner: I am totally aware that this line of questioning is of totally no consequence at all, but this particular information is so startling to me that it makes me question your validity on this. Up until this point I was in agreement with everything you had said. This is very startling to me. It just does not seem possible to me that this secret could have been kept for twenty-seven years, and that we are operating these craft. I apologize for my attitude, but I thought that I would be very honest. It is unbelievable to me that we would operate a plant in Mexico, outside of the United States, to build these craft. Maybe I’m mistaken. These craft are physical craft built by physical people? Could I go get in one and ride in one? Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. You could not ride one. The United States, as you call your society divisional complex, creates these as a type of weapon.