Session 89 - Two Negatively Polarizing Wanderers

[flofrog]

Not sure if I express this well... sorry !

Hiya flo!  Well first off, no need to apologize.  But secondarily- and not that you should or would care much about my impressions of you- however I get a sense that you are somehow veiling your power, or are toning yourself down so as not to appear overbearing... if that makes any sense.  I could be totally off myself here, however you appear to have come across quite a bit of wisdom in your journey, and I believe this would earn you the right to speak with a bit more authority that, in turn, may aid you with finding more clarity.  

Or not, such is your choice.  But maybe experiment with it a bit, and see what happens.  But in any case, it is all good and welcome.  As for your interactions of me, please don't hold back anything for my sake.  

as long 'equanimity' of sort was not reached, how it was a balancing process,

I feel quite sure this is correct.

as he cited "as ye measure to others it will be measured to you'

Yes, I think this is a fascinating concept to explore, though it often receives a glib treatment.

With respect to our sleeping friends, the yardstick so-to-speak is growth, evolution, or change.  To be sure, we are not privy to the innermost workings of another's being.  But we can see their actions, and we can hear their words.  And so, if somebody is doing the same things, saying the same things, over and over again, I believe this is a fair indicator of a lack of evolution.

As for me, am I prepared to be measured by this selfsame yardstick?  Yes, I believe I am.  Because growth and evolution is always at the forefront of my mind, and I can attest on my own behalf (or find others to attest on my behalf) that I have grown, and continue to grow, into higher versions of myself.

And why should we expect anything different?  Since this is the natural order of things... to grow and evolve.  It is a basic function of life itself.

would perhaps the 'sleep' state  not to be as  evident  as it may seem ?

Do you mean for us to consider that one who appears to be sleeping, may in fact not be?

Hi RC, lol you have me right about restraint but it is more because, being 72 years old, I have seen lots of entities suffering when apparently they had an easier life so it is more like you never quite know.

I think my restraint comes from becoming interested in buddhism in my teens. The principles of respecting the sacredness of any entity, the kindness first, in case of non-knowledge, those principles in buddhism are strong when you come into them young, so it never totally leaves you, it's bit like second skin. The good thing in buddhism is that there is also Rightful Anger which is allowed in cases where you need to save in emergency cases. This is what would be applied for exemple in the thread that you started about Enablers of "evil".

today, my children are adults and pretty well progressing with own catalysts, I could debate a lot and get back into activism, but I am still working on two very different branches of projects, one creative and one on a cause, and it's taking a hell lot of time lol

so I think I love coming here and read about persons and their interest in Ra, but truly yes I stay a bit behind because it's more relaxed and I enjoy being lazy a bit, lol

Most of all, I think today, even I am not the dedicated buddhist I used to be, now I am a just a lump of sugar floating , lol, I still think the view of Buddhism on carefulness to be kind first, yes it is still there. Because I am old, it is very hard for me to get on someone's case because I always feel there might be so much suffering unknown. My parents were french and went through WWII, it means my siblings and I learnt a lot about stories seldom known how people can live so courageously and anonymously, our parents first.

There is a lot of peace you get from reading buddhist texts. Is it detracting from doing good things, I dont know. Does it prevent me from polarizing more ? I bet it does, but I dont really care how much I polarize, I just want to do things in the moment if it is needed, or feel it is needed.

About the sleep thing, yes, I have a strong intuitive feeling that there is something there we dont see, I see your point and frustration, which is why I think your thread is so interesting.


Just adding : I think argument and debates are in fact essential to progress too !!!
And then there is this too : my sister who was born before me, before the war, went to India to Tiruvannamalai to meet Raman Maharshi and to a question of one of the attendees about how to make the world a better place, he said, " I put myself in order and the world puts itself in order around me " lol
That seems a pretty self important view at first lol, but you know that works too for the awesome debaters and challengers if this is their order