03-20-2019, 11:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-20-2019, 11:28 AM by redchartreuse.)
(03-17-2019, 08:18 PM)Louisabell Wrote: I think the main trigger point here is people's respect for the freewill of others.
So do you also believe- while acknowledging that we are speaking in generalities- that spiritually sleeping people are choosing to sleep?
Quote:Love freely given can be freely rejected.
It is no different for wisdom. The evidence for this is the fact that all the wisdom of the sages of the ages still lay there, quite freely given, and quite freely rejected by the vast majority of the populace.
Do you really think that I- or anybody- has the ability to fully "awaken" another person at our own will? At the time of our own choosing? Because we would need to actually have that ability, before we set about to "violate other's free will" with it.

Quote:Martyrdom resulting in physical death is the most extreme expression, but there are many inner deaths. How many of us were taught as children not to express our needs or preferences so as to not 'inconvenience' the adults around us. Who among us learnt to become just that little bit more invisible as to not step on the toes of others? Who learnt to be placid as to not trigger the rage of others?
How many of us have learned to quietly subvert our own intentions for our own lives- indeed our own will- so that we may be of loving service to another self that continues to stumble while sleepwalking?
Sleeping people... it is not like they are of no consequence to others. Those of us who are awake (to whatever varying degree individually and collectively) find ourselves near continuously (during our wakeful moments) in the position of compassionately cleaning up the messes which our sleeping selves leave as a trail of pain and suffering.
Seems to me- Sleeping selves violate the free will of those intending to awaken more than the other way around.
The reason for this is that the purpose of taking an incarnation is to spiritually grow. And in order to spiritually grow, one must needs take on the garment of a body.
Therefore, if a soul comes forth according to the "seniority system of incarnation" and is placed into incarnation on ultra-late third density earth, and proceeds to not grow or spiritually evolve, they are not only (in)acting against their own free will, but they are in violation of the free will of other souls who wanted to come here, but found that the last space had been taken, metaphorically speaking.
So to step forth in front of another and say, "I will go! I will do it." and then go and not do it... not do the thing that you agreed you were going to go do... seems like a pretty big violation of free will to me. For both self and other-self.
And keeping in mind- the thing that you were to go do... was simply to grow. No more, no less. The incarnated entity is completely at its own free will to choose the direction and velocity of growth.
It's the attitude toward growth that counts.
Having a negative attitude toward spiritual growth and evolution- seeing it as a harm toward the other-self. As something that needs to be defended against and shielded from. Not holding each other in the space where we lovingly accept each other in the moment, with the full expectation and understanding that the only way forward is to actually get over ourselves and each other, and get back on the growth wagon.
I wonder if this is what Ra meant by "inappropriate compassion."
Quote:Love tells us the other is perfect.
A seed is perfectly a seed, whether or not it bears fruit. A fruit is also perfect, whether or not it bears seed.
Yet- What lofty poetries that love would offer as platitudes are often empty of true meaning in the higher light of wisdom.
In other words, yes, but so what?

Fully acknowledging the perfection- the greatness- of another human being must needs include their tremendous potential for spiritual growth and evolution, along with a positive enthusiasm for the other self to reach out and embrace that potential.
It is not patting another on the head and saying, "There there, dear, you are perfect just the way you are. Don't you ever change!"