The veil and the "hell"

[anagogy]

Well, we must assume that veiled third density time/space is different from the time/space of third densities without the free will extension.  Because without the veil the things should be obvious.

Just for clarity's sake, my understanding is that when Ra uses the term "free will" they mean it in the sense of being subject to the illusion of separation (the illusion of having an independent will from the creator). That is why they alternately refer to it as the "law of confusion". It is the free will to not know the truth of things. The free will to be confused. It isn't free will in the sense that you can't make choices, as beings could still choose, but they were biased by the total security/bliss/peace of being one with the creator.

Having said that, I would agree that the nonfreewill third densities' (in otherwords 3rd density without the veil) time/space is different, but only in content, not in structure. So they would still reside where they will reside after death as a factor of what energy centers they have activated, just like veiled third density beings do, except they would probably use those levels much more consciously then their veiled cousins. So they wouldn't have a situation where they did not realize they were dead, for example. They would remember who they were prior to incarnation, during incarnation, and after.

There are many veils. Beings that have not consciously activated or deactivated the heart center are not necessarily "awake between lives" in the full sense of the word. They are basically sleep walking for a variable amount of time before their higher self puts them back in another space/time incarnation.

Hey just curious do you think this might be why some people have a NDE and see nothing? Others just black?
My husbands coworker who is very unconscious in this life is super anti-spiritual because his father had a NDE and said there was "nothing".
I never knew what to make of that.

Of course I realize that was not likely what you mean by "not awake" but maybe.

There are a lot of reasons why that could occur.

But yes, that is a plausible explanation. There are other possibilities as well:

1) Many people think they are closer to death than they they actually are. They may have had a close call, but it wasn't enough to eject their vitality sheath from their physical body. Keep in mind the anecdotal nature of the phenomenon. It doesn't mean it doesn't count as evidence, but in general, anecdotes will contain substantial distortion. So sample size is important.
2) Sometimes people don't remember what happened to them outside of their body. The memories are only retained if there is a spiritual purpose involved in doing so. Some people are incarnating for lessons that deal with coping with the fear of mortality. So these memories would interfere with their life lessons. This is also the case with people who have strong religious beliefs. They have the free will to remain confused, and so they see what they believe. Often their life lessons revolve around a life of extreme religious devotion. Seeing how things really are would disrupt their life path. So a somewhat similar situation.

*This is the only plane of forgetting

I would suggest that we keep in mind that they say 3rd density is the only plane of forgetting. 3rd density doesn't end when you die. In otherwords, you don't stop being 3rd density at death. Souls don't immediately remember their previous self right after death. For proof of this, simply research between lives regressions. For example, the Michael Newton books. There are plenty of examples where the deceased being doesn't remember their between lives ego fully until they reach "the other side". There is even one example in the book where a being thought he was meeting the devil, until he realized it was his spirit guide playing a joke on him after a lifetime as a preacher telling people they were going to hell.

And many earth bound spirits aren't even aware they have died. Oftentimes, the reason a spirit will not go into the light is because they are scared of going to hell. If the veil was immediately penetrated at death, this would simply never occur. The veil of forgetting is something that gradually wears off after death, provided you are near the vibrational viscinity of your former self (the part of us that never leaves the spirit world).