Feminism is about a 5 year old, thought.

[Merrick]

I believe the problem with over-generalised conclusions of certain idealogies (and mainly the intentions of the people behind them) is that you are trying to describe a 3rd density phenomena with 2nd density conceptual understanding.

Feminism is an umbrella term encompassing a collection of ideologies that are expressed on a group level. Anyone who's heard of feminism has a part to play in this group dynamic, so pretty much everyone living in the west at least. One cannot even imagine how complex and massive such a group is. Could even a supercomputer make all the calculations neccessary to truly represent the degree of nuance involved when millions of adult humans are making decisions surrounding "gender roles" and their meaning - something quite central to the human experience?

Maybe now we can begin to understand how abysmally insufficient statements such as feminism is this..., feminism is that... is.

Moreover as we become ever more saturated in media, we have to acknowledge the role of confirmation bias in our lives. Your version of feminism is very different to my version of feminism, as with everyone else. Someone who had an abusive mother and who frequents MGTOW forums is going to have a different idea of the role of feminism as a social worker with an alcoholic father and who works in disadvantaged immigrant communities.

We are all part of an infinite Creator, with an infinite array of perspectives. This is beautiful. Let's acknowledge the significance of everyone's unique experience. Let's not assume they're crazy, irrational, stupid. Lets entertain the idea that maybe everyone has good reasons for thinking the way they do and lets begin to learn from eachother.

I find feminism or sexism extremely interesting because when it comes to other groups, it's possible to have very little interaction with people of a different race or sexual orientation or religion. But when it comes to gender, there is no escaping it. We live with eachother, work with eachother, fall in love with eachother. So therefore we all have strong opinions and biases forged over our very personal experiences. I propose there is no other idealogy to feminism with more self-proclaimed experts in the field, with more people who think they know what it's all about and how other people should conform to their enlightened views.

For example - the gender pay gap. There are multiple ways to see this. One way will propose that women chose not to participate in the workforce as much as men, they're not as ambitious, therefore they cannot expect to earn as much, therefore the pay gap is a myth. Another way to see it puts into question the assumption that men are more ambitious (surely hypergamy, considered a toxic female trait in the manosphere, is the empitomy of ambitious behavior), and that just because women make babies it neccessarily needs to impact their careers. Maternity leave was a huge advancement in this, and Australia has 12 months leave with a guarantee of your job when you go back. But then it was thought that "maternity" leave was sexist, so now it is "parental" leave and the father can take this time off as well. For me this is a great step forward for men's rights as well, why shouldn't they get the same opportunity to bond to their baby in those early times?

Some men would prefer not to be the primary care giver of a baby, changing diapers and the like, and so see such a move as emasculating (feminism trying to turn men into women), but then is he not just resisting the idea that he doesn't get to decide what a man is? Seems quite childish to me as obviously some men want this - they go on parental leave.

Personally I like diversity of thought and personality and believe that the onus should fall on the individual to make an appropriate choice of partner. Some of my feminist friends think that doesn't go far enough. I don't see how that's moral or even possible, but that is just a testament to how different all our interpretations of what feminism should encompass is.

Lastly, I want to discuss a very important idea, and that is assigning motives to other people. In order to hold a strong oppositional position with a group, one must assign motive to that group. Sometimes these assumptions are held up with a lot of evidence and based in fact (i.e. white nationalists want a country of only white people - it's in the name) while other times these assumed motives are based on flimsy evidence, caricatures or are only representative of extreme or subversive elements in the group. Anti-progressive/cultural-Marxist thought leaders have rightly critiqued this practice when directed at them, only to turn around and do the same thing to their progressive counterparts (apparently all women who label themselves feminist don't want equality, but want to put men down, no matter what they say about it).

I see this as a block in 3rd ray understanding causing a block in 5th ray ability to really communicate and listen carefully to people, take them at their word, not preconceived ideas about them.

So in a round about way, do I think SOME elements of feminism are like a 5 year old tantrum? Well of course, because feminism IS people and there are plently of humans walking around with the emotional maturity of infants. Men too who pretend to gag because a woman choses not to shave her underarms are 5 year olds throwing a tantrum. Just humans being humans. But to also ignore that there are plenty of intelligent people with valid reasons involved in feminism is to not see the reality of complex human systems.

I see no evolution possible trying to simplify things down to orange ray thinking. A group made up of millions is not one 5 year old child. How you chose to respond to that child cannot be appropriately applied to all individuals in the group. The group will not "grow up" as one, but parts will evolve, other parts will devolve. So the question becomes, can you stand the ambiguity and chaos and still find a way to love people?

Thank you for this thoughtful and considered response. I would have been far more glib and dismissive. Something for me to meditate on.