05-09-2019, 04:14 PM
(08-16-2011, 06:39 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(08-15-2011, 10:40 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-15-2011, 10:19 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: What I mean by "same place" is the place where we exist without the veil. If there is such a place, why would anyone choose to enter into a place with the veil under the guise that the veil somehow facilitates our journey to the place where there is no veil? It doesn't seem like a conscious decision anyone would make without being forced to do it.It seems that you are reducing conditions of being to 'places', and further those places to some kind of duality - that place that has a veil and that place that doesn't. However, evolution is like an upward spiral conducted by an infinitely unique consciousness - it's not 'there' and 'here' because neither of those things exist other than as logical abstraction. Although this existence does tend to reinforce that notion and many other concepts that have to do with limitation of thought and being. (I am thankful for that) Non-veiled existence is just another way to learn about self with a different set of tools for utilizing spirit.
This is where you can get to know yourself up close and personal, in a very real manner. It's here that we also lay the groundwork for what we have offered and have to enjoy 'without the veil'.
Also, "The lack of awareness of the body’s need for liquid is unlikely without the veil", so don't forget to hydrate.
Yes, I am reducing. I am reducing for the clarity of this discussion. We cannot transcend the veil when discussing the veil. The veil isn't some magical godsend for helping us. It's a condition.
"This is where you can get to know yourself up close and personal, in a very real manner. It's here that we also lay the groundwork for what we have offered and have to enjoy 'without the veil'." <-- This is logical abstraction as well. It is formulated in the mind. It is a creation to help oneself cope with oneself.
After noticing how many times the mind is repeating, it looks more like beliefs are all abstractions of reality. Illusion*?
Did you opt to come to the Earth that is a veiled 3rd density planet? I'm not being condescending, I am seriously asking.