what is the "density" exactly means?

[zenmaster]

We were talking about the 4D graduates. Again, initially the dual-activated people will be accessing 3rd-density societal mind - being mostly wanderers, esp initially, they will be confused due to coming from different logos. There will be a lot of odd people around - like L.A.

Where do/did you get the idea that most dual activated mbsc are wanderers?

Well, harvest is not yet, but the dual-activated entity influx had started since maybe 70's and 80's. During the chaneling period, there were ~35,000 dual-activated entities. Reasonably, there are hundreds of thousands now.

Once the 3rd density veil thins enough, there can be no confusion among wanderers, for being aware/conscious will remove any possibility of confusion or misunderstanding, even if such may be possible for those of 4th density graduation.

More specifically, once the 3rd density veil thins enough, there can be no confusion for those with 4d bodies, which are the dual-activated entities.

I don't see why the emphasis on 3D being 15 million years gone.

I was simply saying that formation of a social memory complex will not begin for many millions of years in 4D, and as such, discussing how it will interact with 3rd density complex of any type is moot.

I see. I did not mean to imply that a 4D SMC interacts with 3D complex at all. I believe I said that the 3D complex goes away will yellow ray going into potentiation.Then, gradually, the 4D SMC is formed. Not sure how that contradicts anything.

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I would think the opposite: they would start out disoriented, because most of the initial access would be the 3rd-density societal mind, then gradually form a 4d Social Memory Complex, as more and more of that mind could be accessed.

is it. or already a noticeable distortion for 4d thought patterns have been established in societal mind already ? with all the hippie, new age concepts and stuff, a noticeable number of which have taken their place in daily life (at least in appearance) ?

Right, 4d wanderers have been here for a long time - and also from all over the local star systems, presumably. But what we may see of that 4d bias is completely filtered through the veil. More of the spiritual portion of beingness. Without veil, there's more access to that bias (due to more of the personality being available) and that of the mind-portion which holds actual experiences such as ethical principals, cultural values, philosophy, and skills. Who knows, maybe they start having dreams and revelations about how, on their native 3rd density planets, they had 'free' energy or what not.

but they are referencing all of their memory from their respective 3D lives which had learned enough of the "lessons of love" (or better - lessons of the logos) to make sufficiently informed choices. As more and more join the 4D Social Memory Complex, all that info becomes shared.

this is a detailed matter. the conscious mind will be reset during incarnation. however, connections to roots of mind are un-severable. assuming the increasingly new 4d incarnates will be incarnating in a state of less and less veil, they will be able to tap their past increasingly by delving into subconscious then. spiritual biases however, probably are not going to be overridden, as they are hardest to change. so indeed, in a sense, if the native graduates are low in proportion to the newcomers, a lot of the children of other logoi will be shaping the 4d society. this is even on top of the fact that only 2 out of 7 billion or so of the souls on earth are actually from earth, and graduates from earth will probably actually contain a lot of non native graduates already.

This is very similar to how I'm imagining the situation. A lot of native graduates, but due to the lack of polarization, that amount would be miniscule compared to the wanderers. I'm imagining another cultural shift, much bigger than hippy movement, when a critical mass of of the 'new breed' (now on their home planet) start creating their society.

the main question still remains ; what differentiates the nature of dimensionality/density in physical space in between 3rd and 4th. this determines whether these two vibrations directly interact, and that determines any kind of dimension shift/ascension possibility is there, or not.

Lacking access to intelligent infinity, I don't think nature would be able to cooperate with the will of the 3D entity if it wanted a new body without the natural processes being involved.