Why the hate for wisdom?

[Louisabell]

I make that distinction.

However, the problem is that, even in cases where free speech as such is protected due to universal principles, allowing the negative movements to spread and organize, it ends up with ending of free speech.

It has ended like that in every country which faced this situation in middle east. Nazis themselves came to power through elections, and they gained their initial following via free speech...

This is a matter of practicality since its a contradiction:

Will you allow the movements which will eventually end free speech to gain power through free speech. Will you limit their free speech.

Its a paradox.

First off I want to point out that freedom of speech does not entail harrasment, incitement of violence, conspiracy to commit crimes and threats of violence, so if a political party engages in that speech, it is not protected! They are committing a crime.

As for ideological speech (not the above) ...

I could also ask you, will you become authoritarian to stop the authoritarians? Also a paradox.

Lots of royal families, theocracies and military coups in the middle east - don't think those forms of power are big on the whole universal freedom of speech thing.

Listening to the person in the room holding the gun is not "freedom of speech". You won't see them coming, and there will be little you can do to stop them, but your fear of them will evidently make you give up your ideals. Looks to me like they've already won.

But since most people here are agreeing with your arguments, I will end my contributions here. Let's just hope what is politically correct and patriotic is what is morally right, and that it stays that way indefinitely in the future.

I also hope all your confidence in the majority's ability to decide what speech is allowed and which isn't is well founded. Maybe we could do interactive tv voting during the commercial times of the superbowl, we'd probably get much higher voter turnout.. "press 1 for mis-gendered pronouns, press 2 for calling military service personnel invaders..." Or did you actually believe you would be the one to decide?

I guess in the absence of universal principles, we always have hope to fall back on.