(06-25-2019, 06:26 AM)Ray711 Wrote:(06-24-2019, 12:00 PM)unity100 Wrote: That doesnt make a case. Psychology itself feels the need to prove why it should be considered a science today.
Oh, come on. We're in a place revolving around the study of a body of ideas communicated telepathically through a woman in trance by an extraterrestrial entity who is also from an alternate dimension... and we're gonna talk about the empirical value of the ideas discussed?
Thats not the case - you are making a definite conclusion which even the science-to-be psychology avoids making today due to the lack of methodology or practical evidence. Then you are building all your assumptions on that.
If you put the definite conclusion you used here in a psychology forum, they will challenge it there as well.
Therefore it cannot be used to make the conclusions you are making.
Your proposition may or may not be correct. At the current state it cannot be used for definite statements, less building entire larger arguments on top of it...
Quote:Honestly, it feels that you have embraced a somewhat self-defeating attitude in regard to understanding the actions and motivations of these people. I don't claim that the ideas I present are the truth, but if I may make the following suggestion, the density that we are aspiring to is called the density of love and understanding. Simply labeling someone's apparently erratic actions or thought patterns as "mental instability" is not an attempt at understanding.
We define mental instability broadly as behavior sets which do not allow an individual to reasonably function and survive within a social context. In the more extreme cases, we define them as behaviors which may harm the individual or make the individual dysfunctional even without any interaction with any other being. Like in self-harming behaviors.
The behavior set of such shooters or similar people fit that mold exactly.
Quote:In fact, I guarantee you that if you tell any of these people that they are simply "unstable", they will feel anything but loved.
You cannot solve things by ignoring the nature of those things and approaching if they dont exist - neither will doing as such to make such people feel loved will change anything after they killed dozens of people.
To make an analogy, it would be like a construction engineer saying 'Lets not say the bridge has fallen, because if we say so, it will be even more fallen' after a bridge that has been built has fallen due to whatsoever reason and is in tatters.
The productive approach is to recognize the situation as it is, and then address it with whatever you need to address it.
Quote:I think we need to distinguish the incarnational bias and the soul bias. Then there's the incarnational bias. This bias is intimately linked with the inertia caused by the previous experiences contained within the soul stream. The soul chooses the mental and emotional biases of the incarnation, which undoubtedly reflect the polarity that the overall soul stream has been leaning towards.
I think you have created this term, incarnational bias...
Anything that happens in an incarnation, if it is of any importance and value, reflects to the spirit as the spiritual bias as explained in the material. A grand majority of the events and preferences in incarnations are dropped and never remembered or carried to another incarnation. The spiritual bias is the true bias and indicator of the entity, and it stays.
There isnt a place to keep a bias in between incarnations other than the spirit - body is left behind. Even the mind complex that is greatly tied to the situations during an incarnation (society, the vibrational state of the planet and the society, entity's own development) greatly changes and discards a majority of the biases it gained during incarnation, to enable it to have another incarnation in another environment.
One could speak of residual mental bias or even body bias, but any of those who permanently pertain to the entity evaluate to biases of the spirit. Which, does not easily change, and is an indicator of the entity, manifesting through its mind and body during harvest. In case of mental or bodily biases which are carried from incarnation to incarnation, we cannot say that these would be universal concepts as to override spiritual bias of an entity in the long run. Since in the long run, they will have changed anyway.
Quote:My position is that, since we are all one and every thing, one soul can potentiate either the aspects of themselves that are STS or the STO aspects, and then complete the octave through any of the two paths. The soul bias, thus, leaning slightly towards one side or the other, but not being of a highly deterministic nature.
Yeah, and thats where i insist that you are incorrect, as we see from the numerous examples that are included in the material which tell us the role of spiritual bias and its effect on the length of the route of the entity back to the creator.
Even more:
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=16#59
Spiritual bias is the defining factor which separates wanderers from the 3d entities on a given planet. Mind changes, body changes. But the spiritual complex and its bias defines the entity.
Quote:This may make it look like some people are inherently prone towards one polarity or the other, but while that statement is by itself correct (only in regards to incarnated people), it says nothing about the souls themselves.
Soul is not a separate concept than the entity. That is so in christian religion. In spiritualism in general, and particularly in Ra material, spirit (soul) is what defines an entity when it gains consciousness towards the end of 2d experience.
Quote:Carla, Don and Jim themselves were constantly tempted by negative entities during their work with Ra, and while one can make the argument that they remained on the STO path
Due to their spiritual bias as explained by the wanderer quote above...
Quote:I want to go back to the picnic analogy, because I just thought that Ra's words are usually seen out of context:
Quote:19.16 ▶ Questioner: Then, through free will, some time in the third-density experience, the path splits and an entity consciously— probably does not consciously choose. Does an entity consciously choose this path at the initial splitting point?
Ra: I am Ra. We speak in generalities which is dangerous for always inaccurate. However, we realize you look for the overview; so we will eliminate anomalies and speak of majorities.
The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.
19.17 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?
Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.
19.18 ▶ Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to choose paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path-changing being more difficult the farther along is gone. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.
Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.
The first bolded part is in support of the notion of a bias in the soul. When Ra makes their picnic analogy, they are speaking exclusively about this bias which leans the individual towards unconscious actions and thought patterns. No conscious choice has been made yet. And indeed, the rest of the bolded text is in direct support of the extreme importance of making choices consciously, rather than being unconsciously directed by one's biases.
As you will remember from the harvest requirements of 3d, the choice does not need to be conscious. This is one factor which prevents the broad interpretation which you are trying to apply to the picnic example, and...
Quote:....Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.....
...what you are proposing is that the positive entities can 'just' stop enjoying the positive aspects of creation, and negative entities can just stop enjoying the negative aspects of the creation.
Ie - entities can 'just' act against their very inner, fundamental spiritual biases.
They can.
It just does not end up being effective and is abandoned in the long run.
Otherwise there would be no problems for positive entities tricked and placed in negative time/space. They could 'just' override their inner spiritual bias of positivity through choices and easily continue their journey back to the creator. But it does not happen that way - Instead the positively biased entity which is placed in a negative environment finds its journey back to the creator longer and more difficult due to having to follow the negative path
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=69#11
Quote:69.11 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me of the situation that the Wanderer finds itself in and why the path back cannot be the simple moving back into the same value of positive time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the higher self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.
When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.
However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=69#15
Quote:69.15 ▶ Questioner: It would seem to me that this would be an extremely difficult situation for the positively polarized entity and the learning process would be extremely traumatic. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. Let us say that the positively polarized individual makes a poor student of the love of self and thus spends much more time, if you will, than those native to that pattern of vibrations.
The same applies to negative entities. A negative leaning entity would similarly find the route difficult and long.
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Is it technically possible?
Yes, as we can see from the example of the tricked wanderer...
Could many entities do the same and collectively force positive path on themselves despite their negative spiritual bias?
Yes.
But there comes the kicker:
Even if the newly polarizing 3d entity consciously forces a path different than its spiritual bias on itself and polarizes to the other direction, this will just cause other entities in different locations (or times) to polarize to the different direction to keep the balance of polarities in a given octave
That is because the ratios are always the same, and polarity weights are maintained:
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=7#15
Quote:7.15 ▶ Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?
Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.
So, your proposition of negatively polarized entities 'just' overriding their inner spiritual bias with positive will just cause other entities doing the opposite to keep the balance of polarities in the creation.
So even if it was reasonable and it was done, it would just end up where it started...
Quote:Yes, that's a point I've made several times myself. But first and foremost, we are Love. The Creation's creative force was Love, because that's what the Creator chose as the foundation to all. All things that we experience are distortions of Love. We need love. It's the reason for our existence. The only way to draw entities towards the STS path was to fool them temporarily into believing that they are not already unconditionally loved, via the veil.
That love you speak of is different from the green ray energy you confuse it with. That was noted in the material as a problem of English language. There isnt a separate word for it in English.
'Joy' could be more appropriate for that universal attribute which you are identifying the creator with. The love of green energy you talk about is 1/8th subset of it.
Quote:In the poker analogy, Ra says this:
Quote:In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception.
This is highly incompatible with your belief that some souls just have an inherent desire to control, to dominate, to deceive.
You are confusing the concepts: controlling and dominating do not necessarily require deceit:
Negative entities do not feel the need to deceive when they contact any negatively polarized 3d entity, if you remember.
Therefore you cannot interpret the above quote as 'there is no negativity in 4d' as you just did.
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I leave you with the equation that renders your proposition unworkable:
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=7#15
Even if it was rational (it isnt) for entities to override their spiritual bias and they did it, creation would override biases of other entities in the same planet or somewhere else in the creation to balance the scale.