Hardest catalyst to understand

[Kaaron]

I would say that the native Americans philosophy is very STO and about being one with nature.

Indigenous people generally live in (wise) harmony with the land and all life. But today, in this world, we do not need to consume animals for survival.
So if you're living on ice...in the north pole as an Inuit. No plants. Would you eat fish?
Or africa where there is no vegetation...what else would you eat?

I'd trust their application of the Law of One, over most westernized thinking, anyday.

Two things:

Are you saying that certain members here are Westernized in their thinking? I personally subscribe to no way of thinking. I do that for myself.
No...I'm saying that their view of nature is based on their Oneness with it. I'd believe what they believe the animal wants...over a human centric ideology of what is right n wrong as far as their evolutionary progress is concerned.
Existence evolves. The indigenous ways were good. Now we evolve to another level of existence which includes technology for one thing, mobility, information about how the physical body works.

So there are no indigenous still living the old ways?
This is the deer laying down its life scenario. Are you saying that's not a viable option? Just because some of the world has adopted modern technology, which affords some the choice to eat meat or not, doesn't mean all humans are living in hospitable conditions for growing other 2D food sources.

That being said...its just as presumptuous to assume things happen to us, that weren't agreed upon, pre-incarnation.

That is off my trajectory. What I said, or rather meant, was, that all we know for sure in any real sense is what is now, here, perceived in the best way we can perceive it. I leave the door open to what lies beyond this reality we are experiencing.

what I mean is...how can we prescribe to the notion of "all is perfectly happening as it should...all is one", whilst claiming the same isn't true for lower density experience?

Everything happens perfectly, as an experience of the creator knowing itself.
To say it isn't ethical...is to miss the point.
The creator doesn't give a f*** about what we do.

Not sure what you mean by "it."

And I agree that whatever the source of this existence is, and you can call it the creator, I'm pretty sure it's impartial. Not sure how that relates to ethics.

anything is what I meant by 'it'.
To judge anything other than the creator knowing itself through interaction with itself, is out of line with the Law of One.
I'm saying that ethics are subjective.
If you don't eat meat and wouldn't kill to live...that's awesome.
They might see letting their children die of starvation as worse.

Why do we feel the right to judge how it learns?
I mean the hive mind may have agreed before it came...that it would be food, in a barren area with little vegetation. There may be some kind of symbiotic relationship,  in which they are the food and are thus taken in as new 2D-3D family members.
They treat the animal with love and respect. That the animal dies...could be a blessing.

The above is conjecture may be true. But I can't know what an animal chooses. I only know what I choose, and it is my choice to be respectful of all life. And if I don't need to kill an animal for food, why would I? Even if I pray for it. Humanity has the resources to evolve to a place where, even if the animal kingdom had agreed to be food, it would no longer be necessary to be tortured and killed for food and that agreement could end and evolution of consciousness would move on.

how is it torture to take the life of a being who chooses it so? Especially if it is done quickly. If you don't want to eat meat and respect it, that's awesome.
Personally...I don't eat meat. I see it as unnecessary in this day n with the soy products available to ween me off my conditioned taste for meat. I find it ridiculous that we make soy taste like carcass, to find it more palatable.
I can understand those who do. Outside of the meat farming industry. That's just f***** up. But the people in the industry will learn lessons n have to deal with whatever choosing it entails, karmically.
I'm actually not pro eating meat. But understand some have no choice. For them...i can especially empathize and see it how I do...when cutting the lawn, or trimming a hedge.
I thank the tree for its service. I thank the lawn for the soft bed for my feet.
It isnt the same to some...but it is to me. Respect for all life and an understanding that we take what we need.
That others over fish or take too much, is irrelevant to the subject of someone living in harmony with all that is.

Some people are still born...do they not learn something?
The length of an incarnation means nothing.
The value of each experience is equal, when speaking in objective terms.

You can't compare animals to humans.
oh...so they don't learn anything, regardless of the length of incarnation then?

So tell me...why would an animal need more time here? Like they are cutting their experience short.

That is not the point. The point is each life form should be able to be free, to live its life in its own way. To experience all that it can. That is why I don't like zoos, aquariums, circuses, and other human entertainment vehicles which enslave life forms for our amusement, and use the excuse that the animals, fish, etc. are safe and cared for. They are being denied the full expression of what they are.
so should we...but do we?
You think everyone wants to do what they do?
You think humans don't have the same experiences?
Have you heard of the sex slave trade?
How we live matters. What if the giving of their life, is the greatest form of love they can offer?
It's not black n white.

To me...it seems human centric to propose that we would even begin to understand this level of free will mechanics.
If it is, it is for a reason.
Perhaps in a perfect world...all would have what they need and no consumption of animals would occur.
But in that world...people wouldn't kill each other. That's seen as catalyst and part of learning...why can't the service of the deer to the hunter and hunter to deer, be viewed in the same light?

Because 2D animals do not have the same awareness as 3D humans. Humans are the bullies of the planet, wreaking havoc for the planet itself and all the other life forms—because they can. That isn't symbiotic, it's one-sided control. In that sense, I suppose it would be STS behavior..
some are bullies. It hardly seems bully like, to accept an animal who lies down as a sacrifice.

You consume fruit and assume it's ok...why? Because you can't hear screams of pain?

Because fruit is designed TO be eaten, to propagate the plant. 

so how does one become human, from 2D animal?
I'd propose death and reincarnation as 3D.
Now all you have is the question of what is a beneficial or fair death?
Well...that would be up to the individual evolution of each being.
So why do you feel they shouldn't die, as an offering of sustenance to another?
Keep in mind that this is under the context of having no other option as a food source.