Reagarding Faith......

[Sacred Fool]

I remember as a small child having faith as peregrine mentions in the beautiful Q'uo words.  I think it was latent after but not relied on as logic took over.

today it feels so strong that everything seems in place all the time despite apparent chaos, it's like looking and listening to a lake in the evening, when things are dark and if a small boat passes by,  wavelets come and then calmness comes back

Most lovely!

Yes, the capacity to enjoy freely either of those general states (the logical and the emotionally encompassing) as circumstances allow also took me a long time to develope.

Personally, I don't resonate with either faith or belief. Beliefs are solidified mind constructs, and as such, block evolution of consciousness because no new information that conflicts with those beliefs will be absorbed or considered.

I think a problem with considering faith, aside from religions hijacking the word and perverting it, is the "all is well" addition. If you accept what is, rather than distort the acceptance by adding a condition (all is well), then it makes more sense to me.

I understand your point, Diana.  If "all is well" is believed to be a fact in real time, then one blocks opposite or contrasting experiences from one's consciousness.  And yet, as it is used here, the term has no basis in fact and is not logically derived; which is to say, it is actually NOT solidified and is not a mental construct. 

Instead, it's more like, after eating a refreshing bowl of ice cream on a hot day, when one feels inherent satisfaction, there is no mental construction needed: the satisfaction is just inherent in the experience.  Of course, when one experiences the vicissitudes of the outer world (where mentation plays a key role), this kind of satisfaction is not the most commonly felt response.  Yet, do you find, when tuning in below the waves of outer disturbance down into the deeper regions of self, that there is an inherent satisfaction there--not in the sense of escaping the outer world, but in the sense of feeling a bit closer to the warm center of Creation?  Isn't that what you sense when you purify and more deeply settle into your own experience of what you refer to as "acceptance?"   In that feeling of oceanic acceptance, is there not also a sense that--ahem--all is well.....or something similar to that?
 

If you have worked with God and felt him strongly and know he exists, is it still faith, or more a knowing?

In the sense of this discussion, to feel and know God is a knowing born of faith because such things can not be proven to the logical mind here on the surface of 3D.

This is absolutely the most difficult aspect of the material yet, I would say, the most basic as well which yet again we find ourselves in a paradox. This illusion is so complex and well designed by ways of the veil that I find it practically impossible to stay within the mindset that all is truly well. To have that faith and steadfast attitude in every waking moment seems unattainable in my eyes though I'll freely admit that it's due to a lack of discipline more than anything else.

I would see your first clause above and raise you one.  That is, I think this is one of the most difficult aspects, not just of the material, but of wandering here in 3D.  To have faith in every waking moment--and during sleep as well--is such a vital requisite for doing serious work in consciousness (deeply engaging many levels of self), and yet it is, oh, so challenging!

Yes, I think you're onto something with the idea of discipline, but maybe not in the sense of guarding over and goading yourself to move in the "correct" direction.  Perhaps the discipline is more about developing a habit of peripherally looking back at self in each present moment to see how deeply one is resonating with that deeper sense of self?  And when one notices that resonance could be deepened, then allowing it to drop a bit deeper into that area of self that doesn't think, but knows the world by knowing it self?  After all, we're here to know ourselves by seeing our reflection in 3D mirrors, right?  Then perhaps we also can know 3D by feeling it reflected in the still pool of our own depths?



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Asolsutsesvyl

I would say it has grown over a period of years. But initially, it was like something smaller within something larger, cultivated through effort and focus. Leading to an inner transition I cannot describe usefully. Half a decade later, it is more like a background to inner experience, while all the rest usually takes attention from the background when present.

Usually, I do not think in terms of faith, so it was useful to have it pointed towards in such a way.

Rationally, I do not see my life going in any particular direction, and don't find it particularly sensible or meaningful. Faith may be a good word for what makes the difference between feeling bad about life seeming to go nowhere, and somehow feeling quite differently and not heavily while seeing the same thing. I mean a calm lightness which is not a numbness, but replaces the heaviest feelings all the same.
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"Believe" it or not, I "think" I can feel through the murkiness of your comment sufficiently to catch your drift.  What you describe reminds me of a frog egg in the mass of jelly (smaller thing in larger thing) which finally becomes a tadpole and swims around more or less randomly (without going anywhere) as it developes form (legs, head...I mean, deeper awareness of self on various levels).  Someday, my friend, you may grow up to be a frog.  In the meanwhile, your faith in the general process, some would say, is something worthy of your nurture and warmth.

Perhaps flofrog has further perspective to add?