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    01-28-2011, 08:29 PM
    (01-28-2011, 03:04 PM)Derek ~ Wrote: At what point in preserving free will up until harvest do you come to the realization that it's time to knock the dinner table over? We are enslaved and our progression has been held back. Truth has been withheld. Yes it's true that a lot of it has been through free will (for the most part), and that is all fine and good and valuable/necessary, but it's obvious that this Sub-Logos is learning a great deal in terms of free will. The heavy veiling is not working, and many entities inevitably become enslaved to a great extent.

    the deal is, i dont think that there had been free will on this planet since a long time (in our close history at least, in the last few thousand years, as technology progressed).

    for you see, a very minor segment of the society is able to hold the others in subservience through usage of technology. this first manifested as warlike societies enslaving others or killing them if they did not obey in early history, then it turned into control by societal mechanisms and religion, now, technological mechanisms. the threat of bodily destruction of the entity if they disobey still stands.

    in such an environment there can not be free will. there can only be subservience. even the negative entities are not able polarize, because it requires being able to enslave others to do it. if they do not possess the tools to fight off their enslavers and have the tools to enslave others, they wont polarize.

    thats even not counting the fact that, there can be no meaningful free giving in an environment in which you are enslaved. you dont give freely, it is taken from you, by someone you dont want to give it to.

    that is totally discounting the fact that, polarization needs to happen spiritually. when a negative entity enslaves others through usage of technology, without having to exert self-oriented willpower and intent, it does not cause them to polarize. its more like running a machine.

    this is why some channelings from other sources say that spiritual progress has been lost in this planet due to the extreme usage of tools and technology, and they see it as a distraction.

    Quote:You spoke of inevitably still working within the system. I think it's best to break away from it as much as possible by being self-sustainable, and create small communities. I'm working on just that. Learn how to farm, hunt, and preserve for the winter. We still have to be available for service though.

    Work for yourself. I'm doing my best to become self-reliant. We must practice what we preach, and those around me are noticing. They very much are aware that I do not wish to participate in the current system.

    i dont want to work for myself. i want to work with others.

    moreover, i dont want to go farm, hunt, and preserve for winter, just because the overseers of this locale has been rather lackluster in their wisdom and allowed such a travesty of a situation to come into being in this society. its like going back to 2d, whereas not being a 2d entity anymore.

    lets face it - not only a lot of entities here (4d incarnates, wanderers, late 3d entities) have much higher activity in mind, spirit in order to be able to go back to a primeal life style, and live like that for prolonged periods of time. neither we should have to.

    we need to be able to create communities in which we can live as egalitarian sentients, together, without having to bow to any group or individual, technologically, but in harmony with nature.

    this is not an utopia - i very much think that this is the case in most of the galaxy in positive formatted societies.

    Quote:I think perhaps the best way to reach people is to awaken them to how our future is in necessity of change..how there is no other option. We need to be vocal about the damage we're causing the earth. We need to be vocal about consumerism not being an option anymore. We need to be vocal on how procreating is not an option at this point. All this is known, but they put it in the back of their minds. It's time to bring these issues to the forefront and be repetitive. Our problems can't be ignored anymore.

    now see,

    up till last 1.5 years or so, i didnt think the way i thought about this situation. i didnt think that it was necessary to change the system, so that the people could have freedom. i though that, the system we had, was working, with its evils. and i thought it had good sides. it took me a while to come into a realization of what was going on, and the system reinforcing itself to feed itself, combining a lot of what i have learned through history, spiritualism and life experience. up till that point i thought this was a normal course of events, and when the time comes everything would change properly and easily like a switch being turned on 'just like that'.

    the ironic part is, after the realization, i have seen that what i had been NOT knowing, was actually bare and plain in front of me all the time. it was so simple that it only required reflection upon the meaning of the simple concepts given to us - not something else. very simple :

    first, the concept of ownership. it was so normal to me and logical. we own things, after all. but, if i look back at Ra material, it was directly told to us that 1d was a complete set of density with all the mind/body/spirits of the entities which would manifest as 'people' (as we know it or in different form) in 3d billions of years later, already present. we were told that entire life follows a process of going from 1d, to 8d. i knew that, i said yeah, ok, alright, it goes like this then, but i didnt think about simple practical conclusions of this.

    if, all life goes from 1d to 8d, than it means that, a number of billion years ago, i was a rock, water, or something somewhere. i was. really. a rock. then, i had lived as plants or small animals, in the same place. i was, an animal. then, i had entered 3d somewhere. i was new at 3d, and was animal like yet then. then, i am what i am today.

    and, i was owning things. how could i OWN something, even if an object, knowing that that object, is to become someone like me in future ? actually, leave that aside, how could i proceed to own something, knowing that even places can pass into 3d existence as entities, with enough investment, as told to us by Ra ?

    moreover, since everything is intelligent infinity, how i could claim sovereginship on another part of intelligent infinity, while being a part of that intelligent infinity ?

    moreover, how could i even not see that, the concept of OWNing something, is a reflection of orange ray blockage ? in the case of materials, orange ray blockage over red ray phenomenon ? (material posessions, survival)

    they were there. they were there for around .... 1995 - 2009 or so, approx 14 years for me. however, i didnt sit down ant reflect on those properly. or , maybe i reflected and realized, but subconsciously. (since all my life choices seem to indicate that).

    i knew Ra told our society was negative, but i didnt think why. i thought 'because people are selfish'. then again Ra also said that, most of the good people on the planet were horrified due to whats going on, and also the planet was predominantly positive.

    it didnt occur to me at all that, there would be a contradiction in this - how can the planet be negative in selfishness, whereas the planet was predominantly positive, and there were even good people who were horrified to speak up due to events. which events at all in the first place ? i thought wars etc. it didnt occur to me that, these entities could be horrified about whats going on in the society around them.

    i didnt consciously think that, if positive is giving without expecting anything, then giving something by putting the cost of that thing and a extra profit in return, could be something negative. i was all fed with education that told me that was something good, something 'innovative' and 'fair'. i always thought that these could work with positivity. but, i always had issues with taking money from people, even at work.

    so, now i think that, it all comes down to realization of the true meaning of basic, simple concepts. and it is very simple. and, it all rests on our own conscious, we are responsible.

    even realizing why the current system we are in is negative, and what it should be is a huge step. firstly, it liberates us, inside, in our inner planes and time/space existence. where that would lead, heaven knows. but, it is a realization that must be done, and it is something anyone can do themselves, in the still of the night at their home, while doing anything.

    so i very much think that, before going out to farm, we should first realize this.

    (01-28-2011, 05:32 PM)zanny Wrote: I thought the solutions offered were common sense based and not to far-out as to be unreachable.

    the curious part is that, these kind of societies, communities existed in prehistoric times, in early societies (even agrarian), until warmongering raging hordes came with weapons to subdue them. it is not something that was not done. even the technology bit was there, even if in primitive form.
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    New Zeitgeist movie - by unity100 - 01-26-2011, 05:01 PM
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