05-14-2009, 05:49 AM
(05-13-2009, 09:29 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Here's Wilcocks full quote. Thank you for the reference I did not have to look this one upQuote:Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process.
At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.
This is about as clear as anyone could get. While the length of the transition is subject to 'our volatility' there doesn't seem to be any question as to whether there will be a transition at all. The only question is how long will the transition be? 100 years? 400 years?
2 seconds?

Wilcock Wrote:HOW FAST WILL WE TRANSITION INTO FOURTH DENSITY?
If it were to happen ten times faster than before, that's a target window of 135 years. That's actually not a bad guess based on the real material in the text. Let's read Don's question and get the answer:
Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process.
At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.
DW: Here is the one and ONLY 'gradualist' quote in the entire Law of One series. You just read the ONE quote that has created the WHOLE PROBLEM everyone's arguing about. Here we're taking it in its FULL context, NOT as a separate and isolated quote to be judged alone.
We will have to keep integrating what we learn as we go along. That's part of what makes the Law of One a difficult study. It's a lot to float in your brain, but let's keep going from where we were.
As we're about to see, this 100-700 year period does not start counting as of the time of the Law of One material… it begins in 1936. Trip out on this for a minute. We entered into a whole different structure of reality as we know it, beginning in 1936.
Ever since then, the "rules" have changed- we now create our own reality, where "thoughts become things"!
As you can see, Wilcock calls the process of change about 700 years. Like the process of freezing water can take hours. But the actual freezing moment is relatively instantaneous.
Quote:I just don't see Ra being that far off, or of the possibility/probability vortices changing that much...changing from a range measured in hundreds of years, to a range measured in seconds, which is what an 'instantaneous' shift would entail.There's two processes to a shift. Wilcock clearly acknowledges this. There is the process which can take years or centuries. And the actual shifting moment where everything instantaneously changes.
Quote:At any rate, you say, "Wilcock makes a clear point that the Ra material never suggests a gradual shift from 3 to 4d" is false. DW does acknowledge this one single reference:And you give another situation that fits well with the freezing water analogy.
Quote:Now, if the transition of the planet were also gradual, would Ra have mentioned that? Which leads me to believe that, as mentioned elsewhere by Ra, 4D Earth already exists...the difference is that we humans have to catch up so we can attune to that 'layer' of the multi-layered Earth reality...via a natural, gradual, evolutionary process.I agree with this notion. However, this still does not mean that the actual shift is not instantaneous. Evolution in real life is not a gradual process. It's a building up to a tipping point, then a period of very rapid explosive sometimes within one generation changes. This is really cutting edge, you need to read the biologists theories in the last few years, not decades. Certainly Darwin had no clue.
Quote:It seems to me that Ra is referring the Harvest of 3D souls into 4D...Aside from that remote possibility of our entire planet harmonizing in an instant, how could we all be harvested at the same time, when there are clearly so many souls still on the fence or stuck in the muck?The fact that we don't know the answer doesn't mean much
But it probably has to do with critical mass being reached. The presence of a master always has an energetic effect on the people around them. So what if you're close, and your brother mother and best friend have recently become masters? On your own this might require years. But with them around the spark could just jump over. I've experienced this effect first hand. And I've seen some of the crazy things that can happen if the master decides to play with this effect for fun and education.Basically we seem to see David do two things, he acknowledges the gradual shift and advocates his beliefs in the instantaneous 2012 moment. All while he himself seems absolutely unhindered by the apparent contradictions in this. It's a false dichotomy in his view apparently.
Again, I'm not the expert, I'm just stating here how I interpreted his words. Basically the earth has been moving into this region of the milky way for a number of decades now. This means the vibratory level of the earth and it's inhabitants is rising slowly and at the moment more rapidly this is the transition period that Ra says will take a long time. And we see rapid changes in mankind in this period. This period has been the start of the indigo and starchild influx. And of various social revolutions, including the rise of the internet. At a certain point the energy level gets to a point where the dynamic chaotic self regulating system that is the humans on earth will undergo what is effectively a phase shift into 4d.
An air plane on the runway requires a few minutes to take off. But the moment where it transitions from touching the ground to not touching is instantaneous. This analogy is not perfect the freezing water is physiologically more accurate. But I hope you see my point.
It seems to me that to round trip this we'd need to find a quote where Ra seems to imply an instantaneous shift. I think we've already discussed that.
Quote:Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase in vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage of the way through this increase of vibration are we right now?Quanta and discrete placement are terms we know for example from the "orbits" of electrons in the atom. Bascially there is only a number of possible positions and shifts between them will be instantaneous.
Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level.