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    08-13-2020, 09:59 AM (This post was last modified: 08-13-2020, 10:07 AM by curio_city. Edit Reason: Included further clarification of Ra quote )
    J.W., thanks for your response. I get the sense that you really love the path you're on, and I think that's great. Regarding my initial message in this thread, it wasn't a query so much as an invitation to discuss some topics. I will continue the discussion here in case there's any interest.

    My earlier statement:
    curio_city Wrote:As far as the line above, I am reminded of a quote by Ra in 93.3: "[I]t is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet." I try to remember this whenever I believe I understand the polarity of another individual. I can look at the fruits of the labor of others and attempt to know whether the fruit is positive or negative, but I feel I can't truly know anything at all -- certainly not the polarity of others. This has been an important point for me in my seeking, as sometimes I have found myself at odds with others based on some certainty on my part of their polarity.

    What I'm stating is that it is not possible to judge, or even to identify, the true polarity of an individual or an action. Things like polarity percentages are simply a construct given that we can understand. Ra consistently refused to judge polarities, insisting instead that it should be left up to the discernment of each individual. I bring this up because I believe it's a very important point -- especially for seekers.

    There seems to exist a judgement culture within the seeking community, a culture that seems to condone judgement of others and their actions. When you state, "'Judging' and 'Identifying' although might share similar characteristic, but are hugely different," I disagree with that, and I don't know that an insistence on such a strong distinction between the two is most useful for a seeker. This brings to mind Ra's statement on protection available to Wanderers (16.59):
    Ra Wrote:I am Ra. As we have said before, Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex. There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding.
    Furthermore, the Wanderer is, in its own mind/body/spirit complex, less distorted towards the, shall we say, deviousness of third-density positive/negative confusions. Thus, it often does not recognize as easily as a more negative individual the negative nature of thoughts or beings.

    This statement from Ra has really resonated with me. I feel it clarifies that even Wanderers are susceptible and that the "armor of light" that may aid in discernment is "not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding." I consider this sometimes whenever I feel I am even able to identify the polarity of any self's actions. Something else that resonates with me is the understanding that this third density existence is an illusion and nothing can be known. My thinking that I can identify the polarity of any action may simply get in the way of my advancement, as it's the intuition that proves the more valuable guide than the intellect. Further, Ra's statement suggests to me that if ever I presume negativity on the part of others, I should consider whether negativity on my own part is coloring my interpretation.

    How this can be put into practice is this: whenever I feel I know the polarity of another or another's actions, I consider that I cannot truly know. I can guard my own polarity with my armor of light, while also recognizing that my armor is nothing more than some biases and cannot be considered an understanding. As Ra also clarified at one point (16.39):
    Ra Wrote:I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

    This statement from Ra, with other ponderings, has opened me up to questioning all my own intentions. This openness to questioning has been very helpful for me in my seeking. Taking, for instance, even this response to you. I question my motives behind it. While I hope that it provides some clarity to others and to myself, I must wonder if any of my drives are self-serving; I must consider if I am pursuing a discussion simply because I enjoy being correct; I must consider if my display of fluency on these topics is in some attempt to appease my own vanity.

    I believe the nature of polarity is so nuanced that even when one decides upon "STS" or "STO," a careful seeker will leave ample room for questioning of one's own motives. In fact, the more advanced one becomes, the more appropriately advanced will become the challenges. We look at civilizations like Atlantis and, at least in this community, may be aware of some manner of decline that entailed enslavement of others and possibly even cannibalism. We may be quick to impose our current mores on them and feel we never would resort to their vices; however, I believe such a judgement would be careless and even a little naive. The individuals of Atlantis are told to have achieved a level of advancement that, as far as I can tell, is completely foreign to us here. I would suggest that they encountered challenges of discernment that were appropriate for them, and that the level of their supposed negativity may have had a corresponding opposite polarity far beyond what we have achieved.

    Reading Hayek, I have come across a very compelling viewpoint that Nazi Germany was made possible, slowly but surely, by socialist agendas -- many of the same that grip my nation and the world today. It's very interesting to me how these ideologies take hold over long periods of time. There are many individuals today who may choose paths thinking that they are doing the most benevolent acts, when actually they are setting the stage for chaos and despair. Similarly, there are many whose discernment in seeking may lead them astray, regardless of how advanced they are or claim to be. This reminds me of a long section in session 80 that concerns adepts:

    Ra Wrote:80.8 Questioner: I am sorry for my lack of penetration of these mechanisms and I apologize for some rather stupid questions, but I think we have here a point that is somewhat central to what we are presently attempting to understand, so even though my next questions may be almost unacceptably stupid, I will attempt to try to understand what this power that our visitor seeks is and how he uses it. For it seems to me that this is central to the mind and the evolution of it in which we are involved.
    As this entity that is our visitor increases his power through these works, what is the power that he increases? Can you describe it?

    Ra: I am Ra. The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator.
    The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.

    80.10 Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

    Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.
    It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

    These statements from Ra hold so much meaning, and I would suggest that seekers and would-be-adepts consider them carefully. It seems particularly cautionary when Ra states, "Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery." I believe this to be a message that concerns adepts specifically, as they should be aware that their grasping may be nothing more than "groping in the moonlight."

    I concede that my opinions on this may influence others, and I'm okay with that. What I am less okay with is proposing to others what the polarity of their actions is. I think striving for "100% STO" in this density at this time is not practicable. I think considering polarities in terms of percentages can be nothing more than a bane. I think when it comes to decisions like whether to accept money for services offered, which the question from happy tears concerns ("How does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?"), it can be left exclusively to one's own discernment. And I suggest taking this viewpoint to the extreme, to the extent that the polarity of even some violence is debatable.

    Again, no queries here. Just an invitation to discuss some topics. Thanks, fellow seekers!
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