[split] Mystery Schools and Initiation

[Aion]

Aion,
no offense intended, but its starting to get out of the context I wrote my response in.
Peregrine originally wrote that „Mystery schools“ withhold information which they later share in initiation.
Whereas Ra, according to Peregrine, does not not withhold information.

My basic point was that initiation is BEYOND words, beyond intellectual information.

And I am fully aware that initiation does not exclusively happen through a human presence.
But, well, when we start to call everything an initiation it might be theoretically correct, but not in the context of what we or at least I talked about.
In that regard I would prefer to restrict „initiation“ especially in the context of initiation being done in Mystery Schools or the likes to a transmission of a direct experience as opposed to a concept that might vaguely point to this experience if you know what I mean.

Otherwise, and thats what I intended to convey in my response to Vasilia, we relativate and dilute the term „initiation“ into meaninglessness.

An „initiation“ as I experienced it and as it is intended to be in those circles is a very powerful experience, an experience definetely is beyond your former frame of reference, it is an experience that changes the way you view and approach the subject in question completely.
And this is definetely not a „mild experience“. If it is a „mild experience“ it simply wasnt an initiation.

Initiation previsely is meant to be that, enable you to experience something completely outside of your imagination, outside the current limitations of your consciousness.

We are probably in the same boat here, but I wanted to put my comment in the context that it originally was.

I brought it up specifically because others may not be as familiar with a particular way of viewing the concept of initiation. I also wanted to bring some context from the Ra Material to show that the concept as contained there fits a bit more with the broader definition rather than the narrower.

I'm not arguing at all with your definition of initiation being a profound experience and one beyond intellectual concepts, but it always seems odd to me when someone is quick to downplay someone else's experience as not being "profound enough".