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    02-13-2021, 12:40 AM (This post was last modified: 02-13-2021, 12:41 AM by Spaced.)
    Thanks so much for the responses everyone, this conversation has really broadened my thinking.

    I find free will a fascinating topic and it's very interesting the way that Ra discusses it. I admit it's absolutely possible for people's wills to clash here on Earth, but one thing that interests me is the ideas of the guardians, the council of nine and the quarantine being related to the Law of Free Will. It seems to me that Ra is referring to that situation in most of the discussion of free will in the books. The cases that Ra mentions being done by earthlings seem to involve some level of adeptness, like the evangelists in Diana's quote or sacred fools quote regarding viewing a magical working. Do adepts draw the attention of the guardians? What's the threshold?

    I liked Glows posts, the idea free will in terms of a sort of unconscious drive in interesting in connection to the idea of adepthood as Ra mentions magical ability as "the ability to consciously use the so-called unconscious." Is that what raises these "workings" to the level of infringement that Ra was talking about? The idea that Adepts have access to the unconscious and are those able to better know and alter their will and act accordingly rather than being under the veil of confusion?

    The other thing I find interesting is the quote steppingfeet posted where Don asks whether it is against the the Law of One to infringe one someone's free will and Ra basically says "well that depends, just try to do good and remember the Law of One." This seems to imply that there are times where infringing on the free will of another is consonant with the Law of One.

    This part of the quote which was clipped out also raises an interesting point:

    Quote:The area or arena called the societal complex is an arena in which there are no particular needs for care for it is the prerogative/honor/duty of those in the particular planetary sphere to act according to its free will for the attempted aid of the social complex.

    Does this mean that within one's societal complex there is no need to worry about infringing on the will of others as long as you are trying to do good?

    I am once again reminded of Hatonn's story of their graduation to 4D.

    Quote:I am Hatonn, and I am again with you. We have adjusted our being and we feel that we are more closely aligned with this instrument. At this time, we would like to share with you a story of our past.

    At one time, we of Hatonn were a warlike nation in that, although united as one planet, we were divided into many sects that strove to dominate or control the planet. We chose to combat one another in our efforts to achieve this control, however, none were able to dominate and all were weakened by the struggle. Finally a point was reached in which we of Hatonn were destitute. We had destroyed all of the resources that our planet had to offer and were unable to kill one another simply because we no longer possessed the raw materials from which to construct further weaponry. At this point, we had also destroyed our food chain and were near starvation. In many ways we were, at that time, very similar to you as your planet is today, fixed upon oblivion.

    We discovered that our survival as a priority superseded all other priorities and that the requirements for survival became very obvious: regard each man or woman as one’s own brother and share with that brother as you would with your wife or husband or child. Our decimation became, in this manner, our strength. In our choice, in our choosing to reduce our planet’s ability to support life, we inadvertently chose a very strenuously spiritual path, that of loving through forced sharing. Perhaps this may not sound very spiritual to those listening to our words, however, then we learned that sharing was more valuable than surviving. We obtained a vibration level that enabled us to both sustain our bodies and at the same time, progress beyond physical needs.

    We share this story with you not in pride, obviously, but in encouragement.

    The idea of "forced sharing" sound to me like a case of a society infringing on the individual wills of it's members, yet that is what it took to get them to 4D positive
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    Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Spaced - 02-10-2021, 02:45 PM
    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Patrick - 02-10-2021, 02:52 PM
    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Spaced - 02-10-2021, 03:20 PM
    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Patrick - 02-10-2021, 07:55 PM
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    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Diana - 02-10-2021, 03:34 PM
    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Spaced - 02-10-2021, 03:59 PM
    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by Diana - 02-10-2021, 04:02 PM
    RE: Free Will Infringement, what is it? - by zedro - 02-10-2021, 11:57 PM
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