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you are limiting the above quote into way too close a date. (hebrew bible - moses' time etc), putting it into the last stint of yahweh/orion interaction in the planet, circa 1600 bc and on.

What Ra talks about there, is the result of Jahweh’s physical contact with mind/body/spirit complexes at the time, and how the Orion members seized upon this opportunity to advance an STS distortion complex amongst the Israelites, in response to Don’s question about all the times when the Confederation members made contact with third/density mind/body/spirit complexes in the last major cycle.

I did not limit the above comment to 1600 BC, I applied the above comment to the time period of Genesis and Exodus (1600 BC onwards). You keep saying things I said which I didn’t say. Earlier in the thread you implied that I said Yahweh walked amongst third density mind/body/spirit complexes at the same time when Ra did, when I never said that either.

Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars 75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

The 2,600, approximately, time was the second time—we correct ourselves: 3,600—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

It is very obvious that the verses in the Hebrew bible Genesis I referenced earlier refers to what Ra talks about here. Are you going to keep rejecting or twisting solid proof I provide you with?

Let’s move on. The Hebrew bible tells us that Moishe was found in a reed basket in the Nile as a baby while the Israelites were still in Egypt, and as a grown man he led the Israelites out of Egypt. The Hebrew bible tells us that Moishe’s ‘God’ was Yahweh, and also according to the Hebrew bible ‘God’ started talking to Moishe in Egypt and told him to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. Since it’s quite obvious from the Hebrew bible Genesis that what Ra talks about above happened while the Israelites were still in Egypt, and Ra tells us the time period is 3600 BC, and we know that Moishe led the Israelites out of Egypt.

Ra tells us that Yahweh’s physical contact 3600 years ago with third density mind/body/spirit complexes provided the Orion entities with the opportunity to advance their own agenda and make serious inroads for the first time upon the planetary consciousness, and the Hebrew bible tells us that Yahweh told Moishe to lead the Israelites out of Egypt.

Since we know that Yahweh was a Confederation social memory complex, and thus STO, we know that Yahweh would not have encouraged separation and conflict (STS) to Moishe, only unity. So we know that an Orion social memory complex encouraged Moishe to lead the Israelites out of Egypt (separation), when Moishe thought it was Yahweh, and encouraged a distortion complex of elitism. This is what Ra talks about when Ra tells us that this is the first time Orion entities could make inroads with the planetary consciousness by seizing upon the opportunity of Jahweh’s physical contact with third density mind/body/spirit complexes – manipulation and deception.

holy war concept was something that was being brewed earlier than that in history.

For statement like these I’m afraid you are going to have to provide proof. Can you provide any ancient literature referring to a ‘holy war’ which precedes Yahweh’s physical interaction to third density mind/body/spirit complexes. Right now you are starting to contradict Ra, since Ra explicitly tells us that it was Yahweh’s “walking among us” which provided the Orion members with the opportunity to encourage the distortion complexes amongst third density mind/body/spirit complexes of a ‘holy war’. This was the transition from poly-theism in Egypt to mono-theism, with the Israelites believing that their ‘God’, Yahweh, was the one true God, which justified in their eyes all their wars of conquest, because Yahweh told them to, but we know that Yahweh would never do that, so we know that it was an Orion influence manipulating and deceiving them into thinking it was Yahweh encouraging this.

Egyptian mythology and Egyptian myths and tales, was also lifted straight from Egyptian mythology by the Israelites and presented as their own in the Hebrew bible, which is to be expected, because the Israelites were actually Egyptian themselves, who were deceived by Orion members into thinking that they were ‘different’. What makes this deception even more interesting, is that modern day genetic studies have shown that the true Semitic gene is to be found amongst the peoples of the Arab world, including those of the West bank and the Gaza strip. Those Orion folks have been busy with their deception of the planting of the distortion complex of elitism and ‘being different’. But these are just interesting pieces of the puzzle, and bears no relation to the question at hand, although…everything is connected, and it gives a little insight into how great this deception really was/is, and how cunning those Orion folks really are.

the intelligent/strong elitism is something that has been brewing since the first modification intervention by yahweh - at the time when they have brought martians in those cloned non reproductive bodies to earth, and made them incarnate in bodies that were quite different and intelligent than the existing 2d body.

Here you are again contradicting Ra. Ra explicitly states that it was Yahweh’s physical intervention 3600 years ago, and not Yahweh’s intervention 75 000 years ago that enabled the Orion entities to for the FIRST time make serious inroads into the planetary consciousness.

Questioner: Then Yahweh’s communications did not help or create what
Yahweh wished for them to create. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The results of this interaction were quite mixed. Where the entities were of a vibrational sum characteristic which embraced oneness, the manipulations of Yahweh were very useful. Wherein the entities of free will had chosen a less positively oriented configuration of sum total vibratory complex, those of the Orion group were able for the FIRST time to make serious inroads upon the consciousness of the planetary complex.

Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what allowed the most serious of these inroads to be made by the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question.
Specifically those who are strong, intelligent, etc., have a temptation to feel different from those who are less intelligent and less strong. This is a
distorted perception of oneness with otherselves. It allowed the Orion group to FORM the concept of the holy war, as you may call it. This is a seriously distorted perception. There were many of these wars of a destructive nature.

the intelligent/strong elitism is something that has been brewing since the first modification intervention by yahweh - at the time when they have brought martians in those cloned non reproductive bodies to earth, and made them incarnate in bodies that were quite different and intelligent than the existing 2d body.

I feel like I need to caution you about making assumptions unity 100, you know what they say about assumptions. Although I know this is not an assumption on your part, you are so hell-bent on being right, that you are grabbing at every grass stalk you can, to ‘prove’ your point. This is actually a twist on your part, and it’s becoming rather ridiculous now.

What does Ra tell us about the results of Yahweh’s intervention with third density mind/body/spirit complexes 75 000 years ago?

Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth’s
people?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.
The first communication was what you would call genetic. The second
communication was the walking among your peoples to produce further
genetic changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with
chosen channels.

Questioner: Can you tell me what these genetic changes were and how they were brought about?

Ra: I am Ra. Some of these genetic changes were in a form similar to what you call the cloning process. Thus, entities incarnated in the image of the Yahweh entities. The second was a contact of the nature you know as sexual, changing the mind/body/spirit complex through the natural means of the patterns of reproduction devised by the intelligent energy of your physical complex.

Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what they did in this case?

Ra: I am Ra. We have answered this question. Please restate for further information.

Questioner: Can you tell me the difference between the sexual
programming prior to Yahweh’s intervention and after intervention?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a question which we can only answer by stating that intervention by genetic means is the same no matter what the source of this change.

Questioner: Can you tell me Yahweh’s purpose in making the genetic
sexual changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose 75,000 years ago, as you measure time, was of one purpose only: that to express in the mind/body complex those
characteristics which would lead to further and more speedy development of the spiritual complex.

Questioner: How did these characteristics go about leading to the more spiritual development?

Ra: I am Ra. The characteristics which were encouraged included sensitivity of all the physical senses to sharpen the experiences, and the strengthening of the mind complex in order to promote the ability to analyze these experiences.

Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars 75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

No elitism and holy wars being mentioned above. Ra then proceeds:

Ra: The 2,600, approximately, time was the second time—we correct ourselves: 3,600—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?

Ra: I am Ra. The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an
understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable
of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the
view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating
the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social
complex or subcomplex elite or different and better than other-selves, this
one of the techniques of service to self.

Questioner: Then the Orion group produced this larger body complex to create an elite so that the Law of One could be applied in what we call the negative sense?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The entities of Yahweh were responsible for this procedure in isolated cases as experiments in combating the Orion group. However, the Orion group were able to use this distortion of mind/body complex to inculcate the thoughts of the elite rather than concentrations upon the learning/teaching of oneness.

Questioner: Was Yahweh then of the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. Yahweh was of the Confederation but was mistaken in its attempts to aid.

Questioner: Then Yahweh’s communications did not help or create what Yahweh wished for them to create. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The results of this interaction were quite mixed. Where the entities were of a vibrational sum characteristic which embraced oneness, the manipulations of Yahweh were very useful. Wherein the entities of free will had chosen a less positively oriented configuration of sum total vibratory complex, those of the Orion group were able for the first time to make serious inroads upon the consciousness of the planetary complex.

Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what allowed the most serious of these inroads to be made by the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question.
Specifically those who are strong, intelligent, etc., have a temptation to feel different from those who are less intelligent and less strong. This is a
distorted perception of oneness with otherselves. It allowed the Orion group
to form the concept of the holy war, as you may call it. This is a seriously distorted perception. There were many of these wars of a destructive nature.

I’m honestly starting to wonder how much proof a person must provide you with, for you to actually admit that you might have been mistaken.

first, 'sons of god' is a term that is used interchangeably for any group that is considered elite.

No, this is not true. Can you provide any historical proof that any third density mind/body/spirit complex who were part of the elite, were referred to as “the sons of God”. Only higher density social memory complexes “walking among us” in the flesh, were referred to as “sons of God”, that being Yahweh and Jeshosuah (Jesus), that we know of. Ra explained to us that higher density beings “walking among us” in the physical, were always deified, and that was the damage being caused due to that erroneous distortion complex.

first, 'sons of god' is a term that is used interchangeably for any group that is considered elite. this even goes for later situations, like in the case of jeshosuah.

Jehoshuah (Jesus) was hardly elite, in fact, quite the contrary! He opposed elitism and power, which Judas tried to enforce upon him, resulting in his own death.

Ra tells us a lot about Jehoshuah (Jesus):

Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me who was the entity, before his incarnation on Earth, known as Jesus of Nazareth?

Ra: I am Ra. I have difficulty with this question as it is phrased. Can you discover another form for this query?

Questioner: What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth came from the Confederation before incarnation here?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fifth* density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth* density, representing the fifth-density* understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.

* This should be fourth. Ra corrects the error in the next answer.

Questioner: Did you say the fifth vibration was that of love?

Ra: I am Ra. I have made an error. The fourth-density being is that which we intended to say, the highest level of fourth density going into the fifth. This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density.

Questioner: When Jesus of Nazareth incarnated was there an attempt by the Orion group to discredit him in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to cause his downfall?

Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called “Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It eventually led to one, sound vibration complex “Judas,” as you call this entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over others.

This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in this estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning was not oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction of the bodily complex of the one known as Jesus.

Jehoshuah (Jesus) was so opposed to elitism and power, that he insisted on entering Jerusalem on the back of a donkey, to prove his point.

There were two factions present to greet Jehoshuah, firstly, a small group of those which hoped for an earthly king. However, Jehoshuah rode upon an ass stating by its very demeanor that it was no earthly king and wished no fight with Roman or Sadducee.

The greater number were those which had been instructed by rabbi and
elder to make jest of this entity, for those of the hierarchy feared this entity who seemed to be one of them, giving respect to their laws and then, in their eyes, betraying those time-honored laws and taking the people with it.

moreover, in case you have noticed, 'there being giants' is explicitly mentioned, in the form of 'in those days'. this separates giants and 'sons of god'.

Nope. Genesis says:

6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, WHEN the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Ra told us that the result of Yahweh’s sexual interaction with third density mind/body/spirit complexes produced giants, so are you saying that Ra was wrong, and that you are in fact right, and that giants were around before Yahweh's intervention.

Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”

Are you going to contradict Ra again, and say that there were giants before Yahweh “walked amongst them”?

however, even going further than that, the hebrew scouts meet anak when they were sent to scout in caanan. not in egypt.

Look very carefully at the following verse, I will bold the area of interest for you:

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So, since Jahweh’s initial “walking amongst them” in Egypt, the offspring of that “walking amongst them” continues afterwards…

pharaohs have always been represented bigger and taller than anyone else that was being represented with them in all egyptian records.

Firstly, proof of your statement would be appreciated. Since we do not have ancient Egyptians with us today who can elaborate on their art, we are only left to our own subjective impressions. So, any depictions of giants I provide you with, you will refute. That, after you said earlier that the Egyptians were renowned for documenting anything of significance. So if the Egyptians depicted giants in their art, you will not accept it as evidence. Well, then you will also agree then, if we accept your logic, then all Zecharia Sitchin's theories are wrong, since his work is based on the Sumerian tablets (art). Then I would imagine that according to your logic none of Graham Hancock's theories are valid, because he based them on cave drawings and other art. Don't you understand that all we have to go by, with regard to these ancient civilizations, is their art?

On top of that, in the depiction that I provided, all indications are that the 'giant' depicted is not a Pharaoh, since the Pharaohs wore very distinctive clothing to distinguish them from others.



In the depiction I provided, it looks more like a husband and a wife, since she is dressed very provocatively. Again - my own subjective impression. In the parchment I provided, the 'giant's' clothing and head piece is definitely not that of a Pharaoh.

this such even in the case of priests whose mummies remained up till this date - they were pretty much common man, no giant.

There are many considerations here. Firstly, the giants that were the offspring of Yahweh, were the ones who bought into the distortion complex of elitism, and would therefore have been amongst the ones who left Egypt. Since the Hebrew bible tells us the tale of David and Goliath that happened later after they left Egypt, we can take a clue from this, that these giant offspring were amongst those who left Egypt.

Since we know that the ones who bought into the distortion complex of elitism were the Israelites, and not the Egyptians who stayed behind, the possibility that one of these giants, who were the enemies of the Egyptians, would have been mummified by the Egyptians, were quite slim, because mummification was reserved for those who the Egyptians honored. The Egyptians would not have mummified an enemy.

Also, Ra told us that the pyramids and their original benevolent intent were later used for royalty and housing the mummies of royalty (STS behaviour), much in opposition to the original intent. Since Ra built the pyramids thousands of years before Yahweh “walked amongst” them, and producing giant offspring, and Ra told us that the pyramids quickly fell into the hands of the elite, those mummies were most likely the mummies prior to Yahweh’s appearance, since it was thousands of years until Yahweh arrived.

and again, hebrew scouts discover the giants when they were sent to scout the area the abrahamites were going to, after exodus from egypt. that is the pivot point.

I don’t think we are in disagreement about the fact that the offspring of the Anak were around long after the Israelites left Egypt, we are disagreeing on when they made their first appearance, which, as we have established, was when the Israelites were still in Egypt.

But you don’t accept any proof that I provide, not even Ra's own words, which I can do nothing about.

you are limiting the above quote into way too close a date. (hebrew bible - moses' time etc), putting it into the last stint of yahweh/orion interaction in the planet, circa 1600 bc and on.

By the way, the Yahweh/Orion “stint” have never ceased, as you can see when you follow the developments in the Middle East.

EDIT: I made a big mistake in my initial calculations in this post regarding Moishe's incarnation period, which I have now corrected.

Another thing I thought of later was this:

Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth’s
people?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.
The first communication was what you would call genetic. The second
communication was the walking among your peoples to produce further
genetic changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with
chosen channels.

And since Ra told us in the same session that the second time was 3600 years ago, and that the second time was by walking amongst your peoples,

Ra: The 2,600, approximately, time was the second time—we correct ourselves: 3,600—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

and since we know that Moishe talked to Jahweh whilst still in Egypt, and we now know that Moishe interacted with Jahweh in the flesh, as opposed to any other means, like telepathically or through channelling, we know that the the Anak giants first appeared in Egypt.