02-14-2021, 07:51 AM
(02-14-2021, 07:27 AM)confusedseeker Wrote:We should inquire with a Canadian seeker who has had real health issues and see how efficient the health care system is in resolving the health issues of a critically ill person, or someone needing extensive tests to diagnose an illness such as cancer, severe heart disease, blood disorders or brain disorders. How easy is it to get tests and/or admission into hospitals or to be seen by specialists? Can anyone say or speak to this with truth and honesty that resides in a country that has a socialistic government? I know a lot of Canadians come to the USA for cancer treatment, however, I do not live in Canada. Perhaps, someone in here does?(02-13-2021, 04:07 PM)Patrick Wrote:(02-13-2021, 03:29 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: ...
It is, it's what the elites want. Scary stuff.
I get where you're coming from. But from my point of view, what the Elites want, is to promote this fear of socialism that you are eluding to. What they put in place with Russia and China is a resounding success on creating fear of socialism. They made it look like socialism automatically comes with dictatorship and loss of freedom. That pairing was done on purpose.
In the end, the issues we find when discussing money are not going to be reconciled. The reason being that the issue is the concept of money itself. So even a UBI is just a stopgap measure. I can't think of a 4d society where money would be needed in any form.
Here is an interesting question related to freewill infringement. What would you say to the idea that a paid employee is essentially a slave ? I don't know many people whom livelihood does not depend on wages or a salary.
I think you're very positive and optimistic, but you should also ask people who have come from socialist countries. It's not what you think. Elites will be fine, they always are.
Maybe we could discover what is best by thinking if we want a government that cares for all of our needs or if we want a government that allows more freedom for all choices including physicians, health care, few regulations for private businesses, education (which now is sham in the USA), etc... I do not want to get into a heated debate with what is better where we begin to slander one another but, why is it better for a government to care for every need of a citizen? Why can't a citizen provide for itself?