(02-13-2021, 04:07 PM)Patrick Wrote:(02-13-2021, 03:29 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: ...
It is, it's what the elites want. Scary stuff.
I get where you're coming from. But from my point of view, what the Elites want, is to promote this fear of socialism that you are eluding to. What they put in place with Russia and China is a resounding success on creating fear of socialism. They made it look like socialism automatically comes with dictatorship and loss of freedom.
Socialism does come with loss of freedom for the elite. Their freedom to do whatever they want with the rest of the population.
That's why its scary.
Athenian 'Democracy' which is constantly pushed by Angloamerican West, was a system in which the top rich layer was free to do whatever they wanted to the order of their wealth. Entire rest of the society was disenfranchised from any power, with a large segment of them being slaves. Also women were excluded. Pro-people leaders who wanted to upset the existing order on behalf of the people were labeled 'demagogues' and 'tyrants', because they prevented the elite taking 'democratic' decisions in democratic process in which only they had voting power.
The same format existed in Republican Rome: Patricians, the rich, labeled pro-people leaders as populists (which was what they were) and they repressed them and the majority to the extent they could. In the end they ended up their own power by causing Empire to come to being after having killed Gracchi brothers to prevent their reforms.
Many can notice that the same stage play is being played today, with the same bad actors using the same 'smear' words to attack pro-people leaders: 'populist', 'demagogue', and even 'tyrant'.
Having to part with a fraction of the wealth they made off the backs of other people in corporations or stock market, is 'tyranny' too.
What's amazing is that how many people who dont even have a couple of dozen thousand dollars in the bank repeat those words and narrative as if they were billionaires themselves.
The guy on the street fights back socialized healthcare because him paying a few hundred dollars taxes to the state for guaranteed total healthcare for everyone is 'tyranny', while paying thousand dollar or more to private profiteers for a fraction of the healthcare. And its 'freedom'. As long as 'other people' can 'suck it', s/he feels 'free'.
(02-14-2021, 07:27 AM)confusedseeker Wrote: I think you're very positive and optimistic, but you should also ask people who have come from socialist countries. It's not what you think. Elites will be fine, they always are.
Im in such a socialist country, i lived in such a country, and its not what you think. You are simply wrong. For fault of believing literal liars because what they said appealed to you.
https://www.quora.com/As-a-European-woul...re-system/
Its that simple. There isnt anything complicated. Privatized healthcare is profitable therefore millions of dollars flow to all the think thanks which produce all those lies which you read in US.