Giants

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entities have been living in bellicose ways, warring with each other, and maintaining elite classes and lower classes since prehistoric times. especially evidenced by the fact that due to these and disharmony with other selves, lifespan shortened from 900 to 700 in the first cycle, and down to even 30-40 in the third cycle. orion group has been making investments as early has 60,000 years ago, if you check the eastern islands topic. apparently, planetary consciousness was affected quite a lot up till this point.

Okay, we are not two research partners in this thread who are sincerely trying to solve a mystery, which is not quite that difficult to solve. You are trying to refute everything I say, without a competing hypothesis. In Ra’s own words this event 3600 years ago was the first time those of Orion made serious inroads on the planetary consciousness. Of course there was always hostility amongst third density mind/body/spirit complexes on planet earth, no-one is disagreeing with you there, but Ra tells us it’s THIS event 3600 years ago where those of Orion made serious inroads upon the planetary consciousness for the FIRST time with the FORMATION of the holy war concept, which is clearly the formation of Judaism, from which modern day Christianity and Islam were born, since the birth of these religions is the only thing which had a profound influence on the planetary consciousness.

We agree on the fact that Ra is a trustworthy source, fortunately, yet even Ra’s own words you try and refute. Notice my addition of the word try, because you won't succeed.

Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth’s
people?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.
The first communication was what you would call genetic. <font color="red">The second
communication was the walking among your peoples</font> to produce further
genetic changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with
chosen channels.
Questioner: Can you tell me what these genetic changes were and how they
were brought about?
Ra: I am Ra. Some of these genetic changes were in a form similar to what
you call the cloning process. Thus, entities incarnated in the image of the
Yahweh entities. The second was a contact of the nature you know as
sexual, changing the mind/body/spirit complex through the natural means
of the patterns of reproduction devised by the intelligent energy of your
physical complex.

[...]

The 2,600, approximately, time was the <font color="red">second time</font>—we correct ourselves:
<font color="red">3,600</font>—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group
during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the
ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your
physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.
Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?
Ra: I am Ra. The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an
understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable
of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the
view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating
the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social
complex or subcomplex elite or different and better than other-selves, this
one of the techniques of service to self.
Questioner: Then the Orion group produced this larger body complex to
create an elite so that the Law of One could be applied in what we call the
negative sense?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The entities of Yahweh were responsible for
this procedure in isolated cases as experiments in combating the Orion
group.
However, the Orion group were able to use this distortion of mind/body
complex to inculcate the thoughts of the elite rather than concentrations
upon the learning/teaching of oneness.
Questioner: Was Yahweh then of the Confederation?
Ra: I am Ra. Yahweh was of the Confederation but was mistaken in its
attempts to aid.
Questioner: Then Yahweh’s communications did not help or create what
Yahweh wished for them to create. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The results of this interaction were quite mixed. Where the
entities were of a vibrational sum characteristic which embraced oneness,
the manipulations of Yahweh were very useful. Wherein the entities of free
will had chosen a less positively oriented configuration of sum total
vibratory complex, those of the Orion group were able FOR <font color="red">THE FIRST TIME</font> to
make <font color="red">serious inroads</font> upon the CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE <font color="red">PLANETARY</font> COMPLEX.
Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what allowed the most serious of
these inroads to be made by the Orion group?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question.
Specifically those who are strong, intelligent, etc., have a temptation to feel
different from those who are less intelligent and less strong. This is a
distorted perception of oneness with otherselves. It allowed the <font color="red">ORION group</font>
to form the concept of the <font color="red">HOLY WAR</font>, as you may call it. This is a seriously
distorted perception. There were many of these wars of a destructive nature.

There is NO way you can refute the above. It’s 3600 YEARS AGO, IT’S THE APPEARANCE OF GIANTS, THESE GIANTS SAW THEMSELVES AS BETTER AND DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS (ELITISM), it’s THE FIRST TIME <font color="red">ORION</font> MADE SERIOUS INROADS UPON THE PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS, IT’S THE FORMATION OF THE HOLY WAR CONCEPT.

More than that, I can’t possibly do. There is no way the above can be understood in any other way than what has actually been said, so this is getting quite ridiculous now. I’m relatively certain that there is nothing wrong with your intellect, which leaves only one other possibility. You are biased. I wonder why? You already said you trust the narrative of the Hebrew bible, when Ra told us it’s negatively influenced, and we know the Hebrew bible is the main tool of those of Orion to advance their STS agenda since this event 3600 years ago – Judaism → modern day Christianity/modern day Islam. Don’t forget that the Zionists reject the coming of Jesus (message of love/unity), and the New Testament. You are probably a Zionist. Every time someone shines a light on this matter, those with a vested interest in Zionism appears on the scene. They just can’t have the planet catching on to their agenda, because just now we start getting along, and loving each other, realizing no-one is special or better than anyone else, and that the Creator loves all equally. That will give those of Orion and their third density mind/body/spirit complex counterparts down here sleepless nights.

For an in depth study on how this lie is the biggest lie perpetuated in our recent history by those of Orion to create separation, division, war, hatred, hostility, belligerence, elitism etc. etc., read Controversy of Zion:

http://www.controversyofzion.info/

Douglas Reed is not the only one who has shone a light on this matter, there are many, many who caught onto what’s going on, and tried to counter it with the truth, to stop the madness.

excuse me, but at this point i will have to put it bluntly - you are feeding too much on extreme conspiracy material.

This is the other famous tactic being used by those with a vested interest in perpetuating a lie. Every time someone comes forward and shines a light on the truth, they say :”you’re a conspiracy theorist”. Won’t work. I prefer the term whistle blower, though.

pharaohs being larger than others, pharaoh's wife being smaller than him, and larger than anyone else under her stature, and all the society being represented in established ranks under them, is the custom of egypt. there is nothing scholarly about this or nothing to discuss.

I think we have already established that even if the Egyptians recorded giants, you will not accept it as evidence, after you very hypocritically stated:

had this been in egypt, there would be much more accounts of any existence of such extraordinary occurrence, be it yahweh, or the huge anaks they have produced as offspring, due to the tradition of egypt for recording anything of significance.

had there been a race of giants, they would be represented as entities of equal size. they would not rank down according to their status.

Really? Ra tells us these giants saw themselves as better than others, those others being non-giants of course. So we know that the civilization was comprised of giants and non-giants, because if the giants were the only ones, there would be no-one else who they saw as inferior. Ra tells us – again – in no uncertain terms, that there was a division, due to the elitism. Are you going to refute that as well?

moreover, written text of egypt, would be talking about this.

Indeed, we should look into that. This is a valid avenue for research. Something tells me though when I present you with written text from Egypt confirming this, you will not except it as well, given how you refute Ra’s own words, a source we both agreed on as a trustworthy source.

i have even identified the pharaoh in the parchment you put forth as a supposed giant, to be akhenaton, someone who we know in detail.

That was the first parchment I could get my hands on in a matter of seconds. As we know, where Egypt is concerned, there is no shortage of material to look further into, which we could do.

Again, since Ra told us that these giants saw non-giants as inferior, and themselves as superior, the giants would likely have made up the elite of society in Egypt, that being royalty, government leaders and religious leaders.



EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Slave girl dressing a lady for a feast. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Nakht, scribe and priest under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th- 14th BCE), in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

This is again, just a possibility, since I thought we were actually sincerely exchanging ideas and possibilities and theorizing, to solve this mystery.

Also interesting you would bring Akhenaton up, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that this event 3600 years ago is tied to the transition from polytheism to monotheism in Egypt, which you also refuted.

So let’s see what we know about Akhenaton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten

He is especially noted for abandoning traditional Egyptian polytheism and introducing worship centered on the Aten, which is sometimes described as monotheistic or henotheistic.

moreover, we have numerous other pharaoh mummies, ALL of which were depicted taller and bigger from anyone else in their flock in ALL cases of representation, and NONE of them are anything larger than a normal human.

There are many possibilities to explore here. Since Egyptian mummies are, well, ancient, and were first discovered by us in the 1700s, you would agree that there were millennia that we can only try and piece together as best we could.

Since, as Ra tells us, these giants saw themselves as superior, and elite, and are also tied to the ‘holy war’ concept (Judaism) resulting in an influence on the planetary consciousness (Judaism → Christianity and Islam), we know that Egypt was considered as the enemy, and not Yahweh’s ‘flock’, from the Hebrew bible, so the possibility exists that any mummies of these giants could have been destroyed after the Israelites’ departure from Egypt. You have to try and put yourself in their shoes, and reason how they might have reasoned. And since we know that those of Orion played a pivotal role here, because Ra tells us so, in perpetuating a lie, I can assure you that there are lots we don’t know about, since this agenda is still in full swing.

Are you familiar with the book Forbidden Archeology?

http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Archeolo...972&sr=8-1

It shows us (with proof) how political agendas and interests have influenced archaeology.

Egyptian art was produced until the conquest of Egypt by Rome in 30 BC. Mmmmm, the conquest of Egypt by Rome? Are you able to piece things together, or are you only interested in thinking in black and white? You cannot look at Egyptian artefacts in isolation, you have to combine it with historical events and theorize, using the best tool you have, the fact that your human nature is the same as the human nature of peoples of the time, to determine what they might have felt and done.

yet you keep trying to push the same thing over and over as proof of extreme conspiracy theories.

If you haven’t caught onto the fact by now that it IS an Orion conspiracy, then I am just speechless. What IS a conspiracy, unity100? Would you say that a lie being perpetuated to fulfil an agenda would constitute a conspiracy?

Would you say that the Hebrew bible attributing words and deeds to Yahweh, that we know could not possibly have been the words and deeds of Yahweh, a Confederation member, would constitute a conspiracy, a lie? No?

Here is the dictionary explanation of a conspiracy, for it seems as if you use the word conspiracy in an attempt to try and discredit.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy

1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

WOW! What do you know! That’s exactly what those of Orion have done! IT’S A CONSPIRACY!

let me put it clearly and precisely again :

all pharaohs are represented as 'giants' in egyptian art, and NONE of the pharaoh mummies, is of any size larger than an ordinary man.

Actually you are wrong. Here we have an example of a giant in a subordinate relation to a ordinary size human:



Which raises many questions. But you are not interested in theorizing and sincere collaboration. We know that the giants vs non-giants was the division Ra talks about, which led to the ‘holy war’ concept (Judaism), which was responsible for serious inroads those of Orion made upon the planetary consciousness – Judaism → Christianity → Islam. Always ask yourself: "who benefits?" If you can answer that question, it will give you many, many answers. Who benefits from Judaism, Zionism and the current day turmoil between Christianity and Islam, which keeps gaining momentum? Those of Orion and their STS third density counterparts down here.

apologies for the bold wordage, however i dont think there has been left any other way to put this at this point.

No worries.
I’m not even done with answering all your comments, but I see you are selectively cherry-picking amongst my comments you will address, and the ones you will ignore, as if that will make them vanish. I see you also chose to ignore my observation about you contradicting yourself with the Annunaki theory, which places the Anak in Sumer, long before Egypt. And I see you also chose to ignore my comment about why the Hebrew bible exclusively reserves the term "God" for Yahweh. And I see you also chose to ignore my biblical timeline I provided you with. Here it is again: http://www.matthewmcgee.org/ottimlin.html You are cunning! And of course, the above depiction, showing a giant in an inferior position to an ordinary size human, throws your 'stature' argument out.

if you had read it, you would find out what i had to specifically quote above yourself.

I did read it. You supplied those links in response to me asking where the phrase “sons of God” was used other the the Hebrew bible. There is nothing in those links you supplied to substantiate your point.

sorry but you dont know enough history to debate in this detail on the subject, and you keep asking for most basic things by requesting sources.

That’s a very underhanded tactic of yours. You know you can’t refute what I say, so instead you opt for discrediting me. Also a very cunning way to avoid providing proof for your statements.

i have given you a ready link to sumer religion, a culture on which almost everything in middle east zone except egypt is based on, not to mention almost all elements of semitic cultures, yet, you have not spared the time to read it.

I have read it. Let me repeat myself. You supplied those links in relation to me asking where else, apart from the Hebrew bible, the phrase “sons of God” were used. There is nothing in those links to support your claim. Please refer to those links you provided in the context in which you provided them, and stop twisting things.

excuse me, but i cant teach you history. neither do i have to keep on laboring in order to illuminate and explain what the half baked 'proof' taken from conspiracy sites are, in truth.

You have shown your colours for everyone here with eyes to see. Keep perpetuating the lie, those of Orion need all the help they can get.

i will have to opt out of this discussion with you, at this point. thank you.

I suggest we do the same, because you are not sincere.