Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Patrick]

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This insane amount of fear that a large portion of humanity seems to be in is the very basis for the vaccine.
Without that there wouldnt even be a need for a vaccine let alone a discussion about it.

That’s obviously the invisible elephant in the room that must not be talked about.
So no one feels fear. But a simple observation shows that all actions are based on that fear that is said to not exist.

(Heart neurosis Type B, I’ll explain later)
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That is not how I see it.  The basis for the vaccine is just the demand for a cure to a health issue.

I do not fear this virus yet I wish for a cure for it nonetheless.  Like I don't fear having a simple cold, but would really like having a permanent cure for it as well.

You believe that if people did not fear Covid at all, they would not want a cure for it ?

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The whole discussion is based on a virus being an agressor and humans being the victim, is that really something you don’t see?
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Ok, so just on that level.  We have a virus that humans can catch.  If you catch it, it might be an unpleasant experience.  Now what do you expect humans to do with this ?  We try to find a solution.  The solution we, as a collective reality, came up with is vaccination.

It's just normal problem solving.

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So you say there is no fear and simply turn the tables and say those warning against the whole insane narrative spread fear!

Thats surely arguable, since I acknowledge the fact many don’t feel any fear.
However I find it strange to completely remove that from the equation.

It’s a reversing of causalities in my opinion and I would call that really manipulative.

(Explanation: Heart  neurosis is a psychological phenomenon where someone constantly feels their life threatening and attributes this to an outer thread, although in truth it’s a leakthrough of a trauma-related fear. Type A feels that fear and,acts accordingly, Type B suppresses that fear, but acts completely based on that fear and manipulates his surrounding to make him feel safe)

I am sure those supporting the vaccine would not agree
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I am not saying there is no fear.  I am saying there is no need to fear either the virus or vaccination (or nuclear weapons).

The spreading of fear is just what I observed while informing myself using the provided links.  The contraction of the heart center.  I understand this reaction of the heart center to happen when it is exposed to information or concepts that are antithetical to what is "good" for you.  This is of course a very individual process.  It's your self making a personal judgment for your self only.  Hence why I am just sharing my opinion and certainly not telling people what is good for them.  I think we all have the possibility to recognize what is good for us.  This is not put in practice nearly enough on this planet, but we all come with this built-in.

I am not saying their intent is to spread fear, but that is what they are doing from my point of view.  Also, for some of it, I did not feel the fear spreading angle per se, rather more like confusion/uncertainty.

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Still, I find this whole discussion lacks honesty and is more or less manipulative.
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If you do not mind, I would like you to provide an example of what you perceived to be manipulative ?  That is certainly not my intent, but I will admit that I am a very good manipulator.  I discovered this when I was much younger, about 30 years ago, and decided that this is not a skill I wish to use in this lifetime.  Yet we all suffer from slipups and I remain open to being shown the error of my ways if you spotted an instance.

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What really concerns me  ich more than that, and just as Patrick I speak to the watchers, lurkers and bystanders on the internet:

It really concerns me that so many L/L Research related or involved people (I am excluding Diana, also Aion who hasn’t spoken on the subject as well as Austin and Plenum, who didn’t speak yet) jumped on that train.
And that, to me, is a dark red flag not only regarding the forum, but also the channeling work of Quo.

If such a fear-based background and such an obvious lack of willingness to view it with at least a basic self-honesty is the foundation for channeling material that is meant to offer guidance to seekers, then I am deeply concerned!
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I am not sure I understand how you arrived at those conclusions from our discussion, but I cannot say I share it.

I do wish this will not prevent you from making good use of LLR's material in regards to the portions that you do resonate with.

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And to everybody out there I can only recommend applying utmost discernment when dealing with that stuff.

To be honest, that’s how I see many sources getting corrupted.
Not by bad intentions, but by blindness, lack of discernment and unwillingness to take into account one’s own hidden aspects!

I could not agree more.

Patrick, thanks for being direct!

So I offer you being direct in return:

Not sure if you realize this, but again you didn’t even refer to the basic points I wrote about in my comment.
I think those are valid points regarding the discussion here.
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I do hope my efforts were more satisfactory this time around ?  Not sure I am going to spend this much efforts all the time in the future, we will see.  The longer the post, the more diminishing returns there is for the expanded energy.  Since people do not read (especially walls of text).  But I figured that the effort is warranted, since to reach one is to reach all.

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But it seems to be a pattern that you just speak about something different.
I wonder if that’s a rhetorical trick or if I communicate so unclear that repeatedly my whole point is being missed.
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Maybe a bit rhetorical, but not the trick part please.  I see it more like parables.  I do not want to make offense, it would just take away from the main subject being discussed.  So I make use of examples that I perceive to be very similar, but which I believe has less charge attached to it regarding a very charged subject.  I suffer from thinking this will be obvious to others, which is not the case.  I should probably disclose it upfront when making use of that communication tool.

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Whatever the reason, I see no need for a,discussion lead in that style.
Also, with the actual foundation of the whole subject, fear surrounding the virus, being totally ignored, it also doesn’t make any sense.

As for the „lighthouses“ you spoke about:
Well, if there is fear that is made invisible in this subject, I am pretty sure similar fear underlies the whole thing.
That is not my understanding of „lighthouse“ that’s actually my understanding of how the dark side creeps in!

But so what...

I sincerely hope I am wrong about the vaccine and I hope you all made the right choices for your path!

I sincerely hope I was able to shed some light on the discussion with this current post.

Also, I will take this opportunity to mention that I do not see just two sides here.  I do not see one side that is pro-vaccination and another that is anti-vaccination.  The whole thing is much more complex than that and reducing it like this would be counterproductive to say the least.