Orion Empire and Free Will

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I think the behaviors of STS polarizing entities is just a matter of evolution, or context of the realm they are operating in.

Sounds about right.

A ruthless gang members who kills and rapes and destroys all that is good may simply be a lower exploration of STS.

Much lower. Orion magick is built upon 2 primary a causal energies: lust and suffering. Blood lust (the urge to commit violence) is what you get when such energies run through am individual too poorly developed to lnow how to properly handle them.

The ultimate evolution may be the one who controls armies of genocide.

Hardly.

Either is harvestable

That is most certainly NOT true. Countless are the entities on this planet unsuitable for harvest who have *ahem* "accomplished" such things.

I have heard it posited by an exceedingly wise negative entity that the Warrior seeks power, and that destruction is not power, but self sabotage, literally the exact opposite of power. By this philosophy, true power ia not destruction, but creation, and the warrior has no need to destroy in order to create, letting nature take care of such things, instead building on top of what has already been built.

Thus, we can see that within the context of this planet amd the extreme catalyst it provides, war and genocide amd violence are hardly empowering enough to in and of themselves make one harvestable, and destruction may be unsuitable to higher explorations toward the seeking of power.

not everyone has the oppertunity or adeptness to be a leader of mass control/destruction, it may simply determine their status at 4D-.

Maybe. Not everyone harvests negative looking for the same things, so not everyone is negative in the same way. Some emphasize direct conflict and domination, some emphasize strategy amd cunning, aome emphasize aeathetics, creativity amd what they see as a dark beauty to the negative path, some mix and match, etc. Etc.

Low status STS are easy to spot, they are the ones who participate in the totalitarian/police state trend, or repeat criminals of a violent nature. It's the high status ones that are difficult to detect for the more naive masses, as they have built up trust to galvanize their deception and honed their personalities.

True.

What Phoenix described as what the 'Orions' are looking for is perhaps more of a reflection of the quality they want within their ranks, it doesn't mean they wouldn't want to enslave the rest. It's like high status Sicilian mob organisations using low status street gangs, both are STS, both are dangerous for their own reasons, it's just a question of hierarchy, and just because the low status will never become high status (with only the exceptional being 'made'), doesn't mean they are not of interest, they need pawns after all.

That makes sense, actually. At the end of the day, 4D- is more about desire amd will than about wisdom. So maybe my descriptions of Orion entities puts the cart before the horse? *shrugs*

So here in the meantime, I do agree that there is still a push to harvest as many STS as possible, but there is also value in keeping people from harvesting STO, because it keeps them up for grabs at a later oppertunity. Getting them more negative leaning (even if just marginally) may land them on another STS 3d planet for further polarization, the game never ends.

Hmm... Maybe. That makes sense actually. Still, harvestability is a VERY challenging thing to achieve under rhis planet's conditions especially. It requires you to truly be who you are and know what you want
To "come into being" so to speak. To achieve kheper. It seems everything about this planet ia designed to prevent that from happening. And even the rampant selfishness is grossly inefficient. The "ass end of selfishness" as I habe hears it dubbed. Only the most cunning amd TRULY dangerous sound like they can be harvestable within the confines of this matrix. But who knows?