02-17-2011, 09:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2011, 09:41 PM by Steppingfeet.)
Hi forums,
I happened into a three-way discussion on the topic of gradual vs non-gradual harvest with two other selves who had interesting perspectives to share. One was Scott Mandelker, the other Jody Boyne, both long time students of the Law of One with many years of service to wanderers and spiritual seekers.
I personally contributed little to the discussion as I’m not well informed one way or the other. I was more interested to see what they had to share.
Given that this topic has been discussed in great detail here, I thought it would have a nice home in this thread.
This new section begins at post 65 and concludes at post 70. Enjoy!
Jody wrote: My sense from the material [Ra + Q’uo] is that transition is gradual over several generations, so I suggest to those I do communicate with that they prepare in human terms for a radically and abruptly simplified existence as the current earth society collapses, primarily due to resource shortages, especially energy which currently powers all human activities.
I suggest they look to the Transition and Relocalization movements for viable perspectives and information, ie, life without oil, gas, cars, electricity, electrically-run modern medical care, grocery stores, manufactured products, etc. Per capita energy production peaked in 1979 and has been on a bumpy plateau until 2008, when it began a steep downslope. What we see in the financial / economic news are those in power grabbing what they can as they cut off services and supports to the rest of us. There will be no return to business as usual. It would be nice to think we'll 'beam out' before rustic life becomes necessary, but it seems wanderers are here for that part of transition as well. So pastoral living skills are what's needed at this point.
When the overall Ra and Q'uo material on transition is taken into account, I think it's clear that a gradual transition is what's described and makes the most sense in both physics and evolutionary terms. I'd be very pleased to be wrong, but people thought Jesus was coming in the year 1000 and stopped planting etc, which wasn't helpful for them.
Ra often used the analogy of the way light through a prism breaks into the colors of the rainbow, and I had been fascinated by that as a kid, and used to close one eye so as to see one narrow part of a ray at a time and try to see the center of each color, what Ra called the 'true color'.
From true color yellow, for example, I could slowly move toward green, seeing the shading into, as Ra says, yellow-green, with yellow still predominate, then a difficult to determine midpoint at which both colors were equal, and then the beginning of green-yellow. The blended periods are not sharply discrete - there is no sharp line between yellow and green, and yellow continues for some way into green, and I imagine the densities are exactly the same.
So while somewhere around late 2012 may be that hard-to-see midpoint, yellow and those in 3d bodies will continue for some time. Q'uo also said that there would be some continuing to incarnate in 3d bodies past that midpoint - those not yet ready for 4d but with a strong desire to help heal earth. So I conclude that wanderers now in 3d or combination 3/4d bodies will also continue in our incarnations through that point. I expect a steeply increasing die-off of those in 3d bodies who are not in either group, from an increase in all the usual ways of 3d death, as Ra said, we 'will see the valley of death'. A natural process, but one that most are not so familiar or comfortable with. The preface or introduction to the Ra material was a good summation.
I agree with the practical writers who say that individual self-sufficient survival is not really possible, that we have to rely on community, so I believe that local communities are the most viable model for transition.
I happened into a three-way discussion on the topic of gradual vs non-gradual harvest with two other selves who had interesting perspectives to share. One was Scott Mandelker, the other Jody Boyne, both long time students of the Law of One with many years of service to wanderers and spiritual seekers.
I personally contributed little to the discussion as I’m not well informed one way or the other. I was more interested to see what they had to share.
Given that this topic has been discussed in great detail here, I thought it would have a nice home in this thread.
This new section begins at post 65 and concludes at post 70. Enjoy!
Jody wrote: My sense from the material [Ra + Q’uo] is that transition is gradual over several generations, so I suggest to those I do communicate with that they prepare in human terms for a radically and abruptly simplified existence as the current earth society collapses, primarily due to resource shortages, especially energy which currently powers all human activities.
I suggest they look to the Transition and Relocalization movements for viable perspectives and information, ie, life without oil, gas, cars, electricity, electrically-run modern medical care, grocery stores, manufactured products, etc. Per capita energy production peaked in 1979 and has been on a bumpy plateau until 2008, when it began a steep downslope. What we see in the financial / economic news are those in power grabbing what they can as they cut off services and supports to the rest of us. There will be no return to business as usual. It would be nice to think we'll 'beam out' before rustic life becomes necessary, but it seems wanderers are here for that part of transition as well. So pastoral living skills are what's needed at this point.
When the overall Ra and Q'uo material on transition is taken into account, I think it's clear that a gradual transition is what's described and makes the most sense in both physics and evolutionary terms. I'd be very pleased to be wrong, but people thought Jesus was coming in the year 1000 and stopped planting etc, which wasn't helpful for them.
Ra often used the analogy of the way light through a prism breaks into the colors of the rainbow, and I had been fascinated by that as a kid, and used to close one eye so as to see one narrow part of a ray at a time and try to see the center of each color, what Ra called the 'true color'.
From true color yellow, for example, I could slowly move toward green, seeing the shading into, as Ra says, yellow-green, with yellow still predominate, then a difficult to determine midpoint at which both colors were equal, and then the beginning of green-yellow. The blended periods are not sharply discrete - there is no sharp line between yellow and green, and yellow continues for some way into green, and I imagine the densities are exactly the same.
So while somewhere around late 2012 may be that hard-to-see midpoint, yellow and those in 3d bodies will continue for some time. Q'uo also said that there would be some continuing to incarnate in 3d bodies past that midpoint - those not yet ready for 4d but with a strong desire to help heal earth. So I conclude that wanderers now in 3d or combination 3/4d bodies will also continue in our incarnations through that point. I expect a steeply increasing die-off of those in 3d bodies who are not in either group, from an increase in all the usual ways of 3d death, as Ra said, we 'will see the valley of death'. A natural process, but one that most are not so familiar or comfortable with. The preface or introduction to the Ra material was a good summation.
I agree with the practical writers who say that individual self-sufficient survival is not really possible, that we have to rely on community, so I believe that local communities are the most viable model for transition.
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi