David Wilcock

[Monica]

You create a universe by perceiving it so everything in that universe is specific to you.

I agree with this.

Movement across the boundaries is discrete. There is no discreet phase shift between you and me.

I understand your viewpoint. I think the difference is one of perception. I was speaking of the movement itself, not the checkpoints along the way. But I think we've both repeated our views, so we might just have to leave it at that. :-/

The IAM which creates this universe by perception exists outside of this universe.

I see the IAM as permeating all that there is. There is no place where the Creator doesn't dwell.

All discrete universes that are born from IAM's act of perception/creation are completely separated.

Separated by what?

This is the multiverse M String theory refers to. However the consequences are not fully understood. There are an infinite number of them each of them is fully separate and connected only through the IAM.

Hmmm...in trying to understand you here...so if the IAM is separate from the UniVerses, as you stated previously, then how does the IAM connect the UniVerses? And, how is it that some entities are able to travel back and forth between UniVerses/dimensions? Do we not all travel to the Dream dimension every night?

Like I said before, discreet is the illusion that happens when the discrete steps are too small for us to perceive.

You say illusion...I offered movement...in either case, is that not also part of the UniVerse? Is not my toe just as much a part of my body as my finger?

[quote='Ali Quadir' pid='2992' dateline='1242940142']
I accept your choice to do so. Our understanding is limited. My understanding as an incarnated human is necessarily limited. And in spite of correctness our understanding serves a more important function, as a guide. If you instinctively feel your interpretation to be correct. Then that interpretation regardless of accuracy in this case (It's different when we talk about the road from Paris to Rome) is important. You must not replace an interpretation that can guide you by an interpretation that is unable to guide you. No matter how hard uncle ali believes in it...

Agreed! My objective here is not to reach a consensus as to what is deemed 'correct' but to engage in stimulating thought. I think all of us can grow/stretch our thinking by delving deeply into the perspectives of others.

Higher self or IAM I do not know how this works if we step it up to 4d. I speak about absolutes.

Do you think 3D has absolute, irrefutable laws governing it? If so, how do you explain when those boundaries of reality are (seemingly inexplicably) crossed, or laws broken? Is there really any such thing as an absolute?

Basically youre assuming that harmonization equals harvest. I do not think this is the case.

No, I was saying that, in order for everyone to be harvested at the same instant, it seems to me that simultaneous harmonization of the entire group must occur. I could, of course, be wrong.

Harmonization precedes harvest. And only those harmonized can be harvested to 4d the rest is "harvested" to 3d. The harvest nexus is at a specific point in time those ready before that time have to wait or in rare cases harvest themselves.

Maybe so. That is certainly a viable interpretation.

So, then, are you saying that those who, say, died yesterday, since it was before that nexus, had to either wait or 'harvest themselves?' How do they harvest themselves?

And, are you saying that you disagree that 4D is already inhabited by those already harvested? That we will all go there simultaneously in 2012?

I do not believe we have an argument here.

I agree! Just a difference in interpretations & perspectives. Thank you for sharing yours!