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    Thread: Consciousness


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    07-01-2021, 08:19 AM
    (06-29-2021, 06:34 PM)Signifyz Wrote:
    (06-28-2021, 08:01 PM)Dtris Wrote: There is a great book called The Physics of Consciousness. What is often overlooked is that in quantum physics the observer is literally the cause of the state vector collapse. Or in other words, matter only exists in a definite state when there is a conscious observer. When this is combined with Einstein's E=MC^2 we can say that all matter and energy only exists in a definite state when there is a conscious observer.

    In more simple terms, physical reality is dependent on conscious observation to exist, and the only way that can be true is if consciousness exists outside of physical reality.

    Whether matter and energy are derivation of consciousness is unknown. Consciousness could be creating matter and energy, or it could simply be arranging something that is already there. There are other possibilities as well. Frankly we aren't in a position to ever have true knowledge of this as near as I can tell. Not in 3rd density anyways. I think this is more the work of 5th density.

    To add to your post I must say that QM nowhere directly suggests that it is conscious obeserver that collapses wavefunction since you can't derive such statement only from bottom-up (inductive) theory which QM is. Although I agree with you on this point, the top-bottom (deductive) thinking is required to arrive to it. We can view state collapse as a function of horizontal particle interaction where even from the viewpoint of single fundamental particle the moment of interaction with another particle will create a brief moment of near-definitive information about it. Now we can ask ourself what we are, and if we define ourself as a nervous signal (which is good but less than accurate contemplative position), we must already admit that we are agglomerate of elementary particles and interactions between them. So at this point we can factor our conscious aspect and infer that if the cluster of building blocks has such aspect, then it must be something innate to every smallest part of it. Thus, everything is consciousness.

    If I am following your logic correctly, everything is consciousness does not logically follow from your statements. Since consciousness is necessary to cause the state vector collapse, and as you say that this something which causes the collapse is innate to even the smallest part of it, we cannot infer that all IS consciousness, only that all things may exhibit consciousness or have consciousness/be conscious.

    Physics and philosophy are in the ironic position of consciousness being necessary for existence, yet unable to define consciousness adequately.

    Margan Wrote:Isn't it that consciousness is all there is, like was already mentioned?
    So no matter what, animals, stones, plants, all are made of consciousness. And are consciousness.
    The difference as I see is in the vibrational level. The slower (lower?) the vibration, the more inert and less conscious the object seems (like stones or rock for example)
    Is there a direct link between consciousness and vibrational level? the higher vibrating, the more consciousness one imbues? (and if ones equals consciousness with god, or the source, then the more "godlike" the higher vibrating being would become....)
    We all heard the stories about Eastern masters, who raised their vibrations to infinitesimal levels and "traveled on the wind", worked miracles and were in two places at one, to name but a few things.
    That to my unscientific mind is vibrating almost at the speed of light.
    Hard to explain what I mean here, I hope you get the gist of it

    Consciousness may be all that their is, but we cannot logically or in any other way prove that. It is also not necessarily a conclusion that can be drawn from esotericism either. My instinct is actually that consciousness is not all that their is. However that is also not in any way able to be proven.

    As near as I can tell, at best we can say we don't know. What you actually believe is up to you, and I am not sure it makes a difference much either way in the long run for where we are at.

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    Consciousness - by Bosphorus1982 - 06-28-2021, 02:53 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by flofrog - 06-28-2021, 03:30 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Anders - 06-28-2021, 03:34 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Sacred Fool - 06-28-2021, 04:27 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Anders - 06-28-2021, 04:45 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Anders - 06-28-2021, 05:30 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Dtris - 06-28-2021, 08:01 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Signifyz - 06-29-2021, 06:34 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Dtris - 07-01-2021, 08:19 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-02-2021, 01:04 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by tadeus - 06-29-2021, 07:32 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 06-29-2021, 10:03 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Margan - 07-01-2021, 01:55 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Infinite - 07-01-2021, 09:29 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Anders - 07-01-2021, 10:15 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Dtris - 07-05-2021, 09:42 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by tadeus - 07-02-2021, 03:10 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-03-2021, 07:31 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by flofrog - 07-04-2021, 02:31 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-04-2021, 03:09 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by flofrog - 07-05-2021, 08:54 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-05-2021, 11:37 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by tadeus - 07-05-2021, 01:25 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Brandon Gwinn - 07-05-2021, 10:12 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-06-2021, 07:33 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Dtris - 07-06-2021, 09:59 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by tadeus - 07-07-2021, 04:03 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by flofrog - 07-07-2021, 06:41 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Brandon Gwinn - 07-07-2021, 04:25 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-07-2021, 04:58 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-07-2021, 11:55 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-08-2021, 05:22 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-08-2021, 10:34 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-09-2021, 03:38 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-10-2021, 01:21 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by tadeus - 07-10-2021, 02:54 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-10-2021, 01:38 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-10-2021, 03:54 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-10-2021, 09:27 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-11-2021, 12:35 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-11-2021, 11:25 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ohr Ein Sof - 07-12-2021, 06:16 AM
    RE: Consciousness - by Ming the Merciful - 07-12-2021, 03:41 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by jafar - 07-12-2021, 10:45 PM
    RE: Consciousness - by Brandon Gwinn - 07-08-2021, 08:36 PM

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