Are you going to take the vaccine?

[unity100]

Unity100, there are other ways of avoiding contracting diseases to others than taking a vaccine.

If there was, then humanity would not have recurrent pandemics and resident diseases until they were eradicated via vaccines.

Implying not taking some vaccine is borderline STS action is ridiculous, if not outright lie.

Thinking of others before yourself is positive polarization. Thinking of yourself first is negative polarization. This is so per the material we study. Not liking the implications of one of acts of one's own does not change the fundamental principles of polarization.

@Unity100, Don't you have anything going in your life except to try and get others on this thread upset or defensive? We have all heard your opinions and thoughts, and just like us, that is all it is. Who are you trying to change? Science is a joke it is all theory, theory is only a belief, and it has been proven that whoever is doing the testing, the results will be what they believe - Particles - Quantum Physics. Doctors and scientist that have a love for humanity are more believable than your opinions or thoughts. You are stating we still have not gone past the Newton's physics - sad statement. Love your brothers and sisters Unity100 and stop trying to be or know better than the beliefs/thoughts of others. Those who do the same thing over and over expecting a different result is called madness - and we all have been there. If you feel you do not accept our thoughts/ideas, don't be here.

My own life conditions have no relation to this topic. And I have no problem in knowing something better than someone else who ignores contradictions or conflicts with his/her own statements or things which he or she supposedly adheres to.

You arent obligated to discuss with me. I wont adjust my opinions, leave aside the actual information in the material which we are *supposedly* studying in this forum just because you dont like something that is being said by others. I used the word supposedly there, because it seems that still there are people who have no issues outright *disappearing* whatever concept, information or text which they dont like - including actual things from life, leave aside things from this particular material.

Unity, I think the real question is why or how the guidance system of some people leads them to resonate with the information that vaccination is not good.

This is what I am trying to understand. The fact is that the very best advice is always to follow your intuition, to follow your heart. So why is their intuition leading them that way?

This doesnt seem to be a matter of intuition, guidance, or even intelligence. One of the foremost studies made on this discovered that people's belief and loyalty to such conspiracy theories and conspiracy communities stem from their need for being in an in-group, being special, being different, confirmation from the in-group and the feelings of inclusion.

http://feuniversity.org/wp-content/uploa...eories.pdf

So its more a matter of social cohesion, group-identity, inclusion than any other thing. These may even surpass drives from intelligence, education, it seems. This is especially prevalent in conservative segments who have a lot of people in these groups. When people have a lot of social connections with conspiracy theorism enthusiasm in their life, its difficult to not go along with the group. In some more extreme segments, this seems to become an obligation to keep accepted as part of the group.

Amazingly some research showed that science, proof based counter arguments seem to be more effective than thought before. However even when someone finds out the actual reality of something that goes against a conspiracy theory, s/he would still find it very difficult to go against the social group and openly advocate the truth. So these groups enforce conformity no different than how religious groups did throughout history - you violate even one creed, you are outcast. Like how they somewhat turned against Trump just because Trump suggested that 'maybe' they should get vaccinated.

Some other studies also found out that this conspiracy-chasing and conspiracy communities provide the needed entertainment, 'discovery' feelings for some segment of people. Along with these things, this seems to create a major demand and cause creation of new 'conspiracies' that dont exist to supply the demand, causing the amount of conspiracies going on in these forums to be multiple times than the actual conspiracies that existed. From Pizzagate to 'Trump actually won the election' or even 'Trump and Biden got a face change operation and Trump is actually now president appearing like Biden'.

As you can see, the stuff above is far more engaging and entertaining than 'CIA was drug running in this country to fund regime change mercenaries in that other country'. That's pretty boring, old news.

Also one old friend who lived through 60s in US, in the intersection of hippie and later disco communities made a very interesting remark 1-2 weeks ago in an email. He said that people seem to be going schizo/nuts these days with these conspiracy theories (we were talking about antivax conspiracies) and how this reminded him 1960s when everybody was smoking weed and a similar environment was there in which people believed literally anything. He thinks that legalization of weed might have had a similar side effect.

This clicked with me because i have read through various extensive researches on how long time use of marijuana could increase schizophrenic tendencies.

Schizophrenia angle is also very interesting - because schizophrenia seems to manifest differently in different cultures. For example, whereas in US, schizoprhenics generally report 'hearing things' or 'people' telling them to do this criminal act, harm this other person, or this other person is out to get you, 'something is afoot', 'they are after you' etc etc, schizophrenics in India in the same research in general reported hearing voices telling them to 'do your homework', 'call your mother', 'why arent you calling your relatives', 'you are irresponsable', 'study harder', 'why are you neglecting cleaning' and so on.

This is an interesting bit because such effects of schizhophrenia may be different from country to country, and if anything like extended marijuana usage is causing such effects, the effects could be greatly different from culture to culture. The 'hostile' atmosphere of US may be causing 'hostile' experiences, for example.

These tangents may have very interesting implications in explaining the origin of things, however that's a large topic.

I do not believe it will be helpful to tell someone they should disregard their own heart in order to protect the people of this planet. They really believe that not getting vaccinated and helping spread information against vaccination is what is actually helping protect the people of this planet.

Beliefs do not change the results of actions. The material says that even unborn babies who are attached to the fetus in the mother's womb are responsible with every single thought and action they take in that unborn state.

And really, lets put it in street speak: If one of those people caused someone you love, someone dear to you die by getting them infected, what difference would what they believed 'in their heart' would make. The deed is done, and the doer is responsible with the deed.

I cannot understand the resonance they have,

In contrast, i do understand the feelings and motivations these people have, from having had similar inclinations a long time in the past - even if they were not as unscientific and against reality as what they believe.

From that, what i can say is that these people are simply wrong, and their belief in these things are exactly like the beliefs of people in religions and their need to protect their faith or their status in their social group through these religions, which can easily cause great harm to the society until prevented explicitly.