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    IndigoSalvia (Offline)

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    12-07-2021, 01:46 PM
    (12-07-2021, 10:48 AM)Diana Wrote: But how do you justify hurting the plant and animal life dropping nuclear bombs, the torture of animal factory farms or the modern horrors of lambs being cruelly slaughtered? How is this choosing suffering from the sufferer's point of view? ... 

    Also, I find this a bit lacking in compassion and maybe insulting. So, to exaggerate to illustrate my point, let's take:

    1. Person A: White, privileged. Born into comfortable circumstances and never had to struggle to pay bills or had any survival challenges. This person doesn't even have to work. They live in a nice home. They have lots of time to do anything they want.

    2. Person B: Minority, without many resources. Born into poverty and struggle (war-torn country; North Korea; Harlem NY single-parent situation with so little hope or even food to eat). 

    Setting aside any karmic or biases from other incarnations, who do you think will find it easier to choose divinity over struggle? I am referring to Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

    Apologies, Diana, for trimming your post. I don't know how to put several quotes from you so I can respond to them separately. 

    1. I haven't found a way to reconcile your question about choice from the 2D's point of view. And, I struggle with it. (Do we as 3D have a responsibility to preserve others' free will?) 

    My personal approach is that we 3D beings have a sort of shepherd/gardener relationship to 2D beings, and to the Earth as well. To me, it simply means caring, and taking into consideration their needs. But I realize I am far from that ideal, even with the steps I take to walk lightly. 

    When I recognize my own inability to reach that ideal, I process it, and then, work on extending to other-selves because we are a collective. 

    This exercise doesn't alleviate my pain (which I inexplicably feel in a permeating way ... different wiring than others?). I can't alleviate the pain/discomfort I feel from what I perceive as suffering. So, I make some (restless) peace with it. 

    Do you feel/sense pain inside of you when you encounter such situations as you describe? If so, how do you process such? 

    2. Diana asks, "... who do you think will find it easier to choose divinity over struggle? I am referring to Maslow's hierarchy of needs." Any answers I come to are reflective of my own 3D life with my unique challenges and comforts. I feel awkward viewing others' journeys from within my own journey because I'm limited by my own 3D MBS experiences. I still notice myself thinking "others have it easy or hard," but then I add a "seemingly" onto it. 

    I have toyed with seeing our unique journeys from a pre-incarnative design/incarnative choices perspective. How does each of our journeys serve our individual soul streams, the collective soul streams (or soul river) and ultimately, the 1ICC? 

    Though we, humans, experience life at all levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, in a first-person sense, all of these experiences feed into greater and greater collectives. Here, I have choices about how to be here in 3D. I have vacillated between two extremes: hyper-disengagement (resignation/complacency ... what will be, will be) to hyper-engagement (hyper-compassion, intense sense of responsibility). Neither extreme is sustainable for me. I, again, find a restless peace, or balance.  

    When you see other-selves experiencing their journeys at different levels of needs/energy centers, how do you experience it? What emotions, thoughts, sensations arise in you? How do you process? 
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    Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-27-2021, 10:39 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 11-27-2021, 12:18 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Serveou - 11-27-2021, 03:22 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 11-27-2021, 04:10 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-28-2021, 11:31 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 11-28-2021, 12:04 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-28-2021, 03:38 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 11-29-2021, 12:55 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 11-29-2021, 03:10 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 11-30-2021, 08:32 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-05-2021, 11:52 AM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-05-2021, 01:18 PM
    RE: Worship? - by flofrog - 11-28-2021, 12:23 AM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 11-28-2021, 01:17 AM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-28-2021, 12:05 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 11-28-2021, 01:58 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Cannon - 11-28-2021, 06:47 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-28-2021, 11:31 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Dtris - 11-29-2021, 10:57 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 11-29-2021, 12:42 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 11-29-2021, 05:04 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 11-29-2021, 06:29 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 11-29-2021, 10:00 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-29-2021, 11:58 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 11-30-2021, 01:35 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 11-30-2021, 02:43 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 11-30-2021, 03:51 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 11-30-2021, 12:51 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 11-30-2021, 10:12 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Steppingfeet - 11-30-2021, 12:13 AM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 11-30-2021, 12:58 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-03-2021, 12:56 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-03-2021, 07:30 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-03-2021, 09:50 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-05-2021, 09:42 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-05-2021, 09:56 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-06-2021, 10:38 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-06-2021, 05:43 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-06-2021, 07:46 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-07-2021, 10:48 AM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-07-2021, 01:46 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-07-2021, 03:49 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-07-2021, 10:54 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-08-2021, 11:45 AM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-08-2021, 02:22 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-08-2021, 03:22 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-07-2021, 11:47 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-08-2021, 11:52 AM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-07-2021, 11:28 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-08-2021, 02:00 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-08-2021, 11:16 AM
    RE: Worship? - by flofrog - 12-08-2021, 06:30 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-08-2021, 08:31 PM
    RE: Worship? - by flofrog - 12-09-2021, 01:32 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-09-2021, 02:13 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-09-2021, 11:12 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-09-2021, 02:52 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-09-2021, 03:24 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-09-2021, 04:04 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-09-2021, 03:57 PM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-09-2021, 01:52 AM
    RE: Worship? - by flofrog - 12-09-2021, 02:09 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-08-2021, 08:10 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-09-2021, 11:15 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-10-2021, 12:56 AM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-10-2021, 01:24 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-10-2021, 03:39 AM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-10-2021, 04:03 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Diana - 12-10-2021, 12:24 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-10-2021, 03:55 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-10-2021, 08:50 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-10-2021, 09:53 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-13-2021, 10:54 PM
    RE: Worship? - by MonadicSpectrum - 12-14-2021, 12:13 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-14-2021, 02:47 AM
    RE: Worship? - by tadeus - 12-15-2021, 09:41 AM
    RE: Worship? - by IndigoSalvia - 12-15-2021, 12:58 PM
    RE: Worship? - by flofrog - 12-15-2021, 05:31 PM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-18-2021, 08:20 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Patrick - 12-18-2021, 10:15 PM
    RE: Worship? - by tadeus - 12-19-2021, 05:08 AM
    RE: Worship? - by jafar - 12-21-2021, 08:00 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Patrick - 12-21-2021, 09:43 PM
    RE: Worship? - by Sacred Fool - 12-22-2021, 01:36 PM

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