12-20-2021, 01:40 PM
(12-20-2021, 12:04 PM)Patrick Wrote: Infinity has always been aware, but for us here in order to make sense of it, we need to use words that implies that there was a sequence. Because it is not possible for us to understand what true simultaneity is within an Eternal present. So we explore that "sequence" in reverse and we glimpse the One Original Thought. Then we think this was the "beginning", because we need a beginning to our sequence in order to understand.
But these two states have always been there. One is Infinity itself and the other is Infinity knowing itself. What we experience is this never ending "process", but we cannot really understand that it is also an ever beginning process.
We are not an aspect that is created to understand this. We are created to appreciate the beauty of it. But we are so confused about our function that we create many troubles for ourselves by trying to be what can understand this as well as being able to appreciate its beauty. If we were that which can understand it, we might not be able to appreciate it.
I've been "playing" with this concept in meditation, dreams, and in waking life quite a bit recently. Images (that convey what you describe) have come to me that have been baffling for my 3D intellect to wrap its hands around. I have faith that the puzzle pieces will come together.
I agree. It's "comfortable" for my 3D MBS to perceive existence as a cyclical process. But, I am perceiving that it's not cyclical (no distinct beginning or ending) per se; we are in both (or all) states simultaneously. As you put it, we are Infinity (unmanifested, unity, Creator state ...) and Infinity knowing itself (manifested, separated, Creation state ...).

My 3D nature is predisposed to emphasize (perceive) the separation state in which we are a collection of individual consciousnesses, like cells with cell walls between us existing in an ocean together. There is also a state in which the cell walls dissolve and we are an ocean of being-ness, of infinite energies. We join and un-join as we will: to know Ourself. I find that words do not quite convey what I feel, sense, perceive; they are clumsy for me. And, my perception of simultaneity is fuzzy at best.
After I accept this concept (in faith because it's fuzzy), questions arise in me: Given this simultaneity, what does this mean for my journey here in 3D? Is there a purpose to know Ourself? If so, what is it?
Where does this concept of "true simultaneity" lead you?