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    Thread: Karma + desire


    Diana (Offline)

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    01-09-2022, 12:21 PM
    (01-09-2022, 03:56 AM)flofrog Wrote: To a sweet your question, silly, I have a view that everything has a reason to be. So I am not sure desire accrues karma but I think it may depend on the form of desire.

    This is close to what I think. Karma and desire are two different things in my opinion, yet can intersect. 

    But first let me say that whatever comes to you, Sillypumpkins, is meant for you. Whatever we may say here is not as important as what you feel in this regard, in my view.

    Some meandering thoughts...

    Intention is part of the equation. By intention I do not mean necessarily what one consciously states; rather I mean what flows from one's authentic self. A simple example is the desire for sexual intimacy: a STS individual will pursue this for certain reasons, a STO individual will pursue it for certain reasons, and those in the sinkhole of indifference will be acting more from hard-wired instincts or tribe or cultural constructs. 

    Desire in my opinion is a kind of magnetism, a conscious magnet for catalyst. As Sacred Fool pointed out, one can desire spiritual growth resulting in more efficient polarization. In this way it is a conscious tool for forward motion and participating in one's own process with intent.

    Karma, to me—and Ra alludes to this—is attachment. So the nexus point where karma and desire intersect would be attachment. According to Ra, wanderers are advised not to get "caught up in the maelstrom" and not get caught up in karma. That to me means not to become attached to the dramas here, to maintain acceptance. Acceptance is antithetical to attachment, which carries the signature of control and expectation.

    Following up on the idea that magnetism flows from the authentic self and not so much from what is consciously stated, we may think we want something on the surface, but there may be all sorts of reasons that don't align with who we are authentically. One may desire wealth for example. This may spring from the culture one lives in, such as the Hollywoodized U.S. culture. The media, movies, and much input pound in the idea of having lots of money. All sorts of judgments derive from this paradigm, such as, money is evil, money is power, etc. But the underlying desire for money is really a desire for choices, which may lead one to the idea of choice, which may ultimately lead one to the LOO idea of this reality's most important choice. So, it isn't really money one desires, but unlimited choices, or the conscious awareness of the choice between STO and STS—and the mind reveals this to itself in messages to get there, and the judgments block awareness like walls put up on a road to somewhere. Letting go of judgments may clear the path which leads to deeper understandings, but along the way, certain signposts lead us forward and those signposts (such as recognizing that money = choices) could be best seen as steps forward and not to be belittled, judged, or regretted. It is the judging, the regretting, the belittling self—which can all be a natural part of the process of dealing with catalyst in that it brings to the surface something to consider and hopefully process—that keeps one in that karmic loop, until such time those obstacles are transcended. So in this example, desire is a signpost shrouded in some mystery, but it is one that informs.
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    Karma + desire - by sillypumpkins - 01-09-2022, 01:47 AM
    RE: Karma + desire - by flofrog - 01-09-2022, 03:56 AM
    RE: Karma + desire - by Diana - 01-09-2022, 12:21 PM
    RE: Karma + desire - by Sacred Fool - 01-09-2022, 01:49 PM
    RE: Karma + desire - by Diana - 01-10-2022, 11:17 AM
    RE: Karma + desire - by Sacred Fool - 01-11-2022, 09:17 AM
    RE: Karma + desire - by MonadicSpectrum - 01-09-2022, 02:20 PM
    RE: Karma + desire - by pat19989 - 01-09-2022, 07:14 PM
    RE: Karma + desire - by Spaced - 01-11-2022, 03:36 PM

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