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    04-29-2022, 02:55 AM
    (10-26-2021, 07:53 AM)KYDoug Wrote: I hope this intro to my question is not too long and confusing (though I’m pretty sure it is both), but here goes. Forum searches did not yield the exact answers to my particular confusion.

    Since true Reality is beyond our comprehension, let’s start with a “simpler” base of quantum mechanics. All possibilities are available to Reality, but we are in one present because of some mechanism - could be our consciousness, a Bohmian pilot wave, luck of the draw, whatever. All we know for sure (or maybe not!) is the present. The present is here and is a manifestation of a collective agreement between all. There are an infinite number of possible futures consistent with this present as well as an infinite number of pasts consistent with this present. We may not realize the latter, but what happened in, say, Japan yesterday to one individual at noon local time is unknown to us. I do not think the deterministic “butterfly effect” applies. Going even beyond that, the more distant past is truly unknown and multiple past histories could be compatible with our present. We seemingly remember only one historical path (albeit “fuzzily”) but it is possible that if we somehow changed from one past timeline to another but still maintaining this present, our memories would change with us.

    So the question is, what is nonlinear time and, as a focusing mechanism, how does it relate to the grandfather paradox? That is, I read about our misunderstandings due to a linear time perspective. Now I get that in a limited way from the previous paragraph. However, that discussion was limited to a static present with perhaps different historical and future paths that still lead to that one present. True nonlinear time interactions would seem to lead to the grandfather paradox and perhaps free will violations in general. So does nonlinear time somehow apply to an understanding of how we got to where we are right now and where we go from here, or is it really a much bigger deal. Something like, could we actually jump from one possible present to another possible present, still obeying free will perhaps by allowing it only through mutual agreement (subconsciously?). But there’s that grandfather paradox again.

    Finally, even though we are told that time is nonlinear, another sort of irreversible time does seem to march on since a Harvest is a one shot deal - no do overs. And spiritual evolution proceeds in stages - another manifestation of a higher linear time. Is it possible that the higher linear time itself is itself an illusion. Oh boy...

    All this is beyond us I am sure, but can we glean snippets? Thanks.

    I know this is an old thread, but it is worth touch upon.

    Imagine you are in a closed room with 7 others, without a clock, without counting or any indicator for you to detect time. 

    Each of you will have different senses of time, thought, and /perception. 

    Here is the cherry on top, one of you is a pro at meditation, and felt "peace" as everyone start becoming more agitated from boredom. 

    Would you say that all 7 participants' consciousness exists in a linear time? 

    In 3rd D, we tend to misunderstand time as a product of our environment. 

    It is a manifestation, a construct, some may even say that it exist to motivate you to "move." 

    "I am late! I am late! I am late! No time to say hello, goodbye! I am late! I am late! I am late" 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDO5ea8M...=rayjaxter
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    Grandfather Paradox, and more - by KYDoug - 10-26-2021, 07:53 AM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by tadeus - 10-31-2021, 05:11 AM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by KYDoug - 11-04-2021, 07:28 AM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by tadeus - 11-04-2021, 01:58 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by KYDoug - 11-04-2021, 11:15 AM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by KYDoug - 11-05-2021, 02:45 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by zedro - 11-05-2021, 03:06 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by unity100 - 11-27-2021, 05:45 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by J.W. - 04-29-2022, 02:55 AM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by Quincunx - 04-29-2022, 02:50 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by J.W. - 04-29-2022, 09:50 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by J.W. - 04-29-2022, 09:52 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by Quincunx - 04-29-2022, 11:48 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by J.W. - 04-29-2022, 11:53 PM
    RE: Grandfather Paradox, and more - by DoctorWho - 05-05-2022, 10:39 AM

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