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    07-03-2022, 02:30 PM
    (05-24-2022, 03:00 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: How interesting that, as I skim through this thread, I find no mention of the perspective of Confederation sources.  Maybe that stuff doesn't matter?  Who can say?

    Q'uo, Hatton, others say repeatedly that the rational mind is useful within the illusion and not so helpful beyond that.  [...] Ra says the mind must be known (if one has spiritual interests) and silence is the key.  [...]  Well, wanderers putatively incarnate here to help raise the vibration of the planet and they do so very efficiently by raising their own personal vibration and this is done, not through mentation, but through the process of embracing the true heart of self.

    It may be good to ask some questions, rather than simply copy such answers from teachings as the final ones. That's especially relevant if you already have some questions, perhaps rooted in personal experience, and find in relation to them that standard answers in spiritual teachings are missing something. But it may work better for those who either don't have such personal burning questions or troubling experiences, or who shove it all aside in order to accept a few very simple answers.

    Some good questions may be able to lead to something interesting. For a start... What does it mean to raise vibration? How well is that really done by people on this planet? What is it that wanderers do that really counts? What things genuinely help and genuinely hurt others?

    If positivity is viewed purely as a passively radiated thing, and that simply "being a wanderer" is enough, then sure, there's no problem to be solved. But if not, then complexity explodes at once...

    To show, in a more dramatic and somewhat darkly humorous way, the idea of why love is not enough, and why love in the absence of light can lead to horrible results, I've written a little short story, The big-hearted nuker.

    Of course, the idea in that story is that deception is not countered by love, but instead it makes love its tool, making it serve destructive ends. In the intentionally ridiculous example, everyone involved may possibly enjoy themselves in pure bliss until nuclear annihilation becomes complete. However, ignorance is often enough, when combined with good intentions, to lead to bad results. Perfectly loving people can bring suffering and darkness without even having been deceived, simply because they didn't learn something.

    But we do know that this is a world historically filled with deception and ignorance, and that there's plenty left of that to go around for the forseeable future, particularly in the self-replenishing area of deception.

    What is the light? I think this must be answered unless love is to be limited in scope to a little bubble, which grows for a small time and then pops. But I don't think it's tricky to answer. Scientists work on it all the time. The light is the mapping of reality, making it viewable and graspable in a more complete and accurate way. If that is done well enough, then all that is left for good results is to also have good intentions.

    Unfortunately, I think the "Confederation sources" are limited, perhaps filtered through the human minds which received them, in such a way that almost only love is covered well enough. From mainsteam science and philosophy, meanwhile, it is possible to extract a good enough covering of what the light is. Supposedly, there is also a possible synthesis, a type of unity, but... if so, maybe it does not belong to this age.

    Even more unfortunately, current New Age spirituality follows the historical patterns of its predecessors. Here and there, something I can highly respect, a few who understand such teachings well can grow, in a way. You could call them unusually good at the love part, perhaps. But if you zoom out a little and look at the masses of people involved, you see confusion, and a culture in which many grifters exploit as many as they can. The sad truth is that the world of spiritual teachings largely teaches people to be slaves to those who want to fleece them, influential wolves in sheep's clothing among them. To be slaves by believing things which restrict and shape patterns of choices in self-reinforcing ways. I see a great sadness in all those who walk around in such mental chains.

    What if there are people in this world who could do a lot to help others, but they don't, because they've been told some things which, when believed, cut them off from their true potential? And if you take a broader view at what people may be in this world to do than merely "spiritual activity", then a great deal of well-intentioned spiritual advice may fall into this category of potential straitjackets for wanderers.

    Here, consider how Ra describes many scientists as very positive in orientation. And what did they do? Often it had nothing to do with spiritual teachings. But it shaped the future.
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    Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Asolsutsesvyl - 06-10-2021, 09:21 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Minyatur - 06-10-2021, 11:29 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Loki - 06-10-2021, 12:16 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Aion - 06-10-2021, 01:33 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Anders - 06-10-2021, 01:42 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by jafar - 06-10-2021, 11:46 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Louisabell - 06-11-2021, 12:20 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Dtris - 06-11-2021, 09:06 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Diana - 06-11-2021, 10:16 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Patrick - 06-11-2021, 12:15 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Patrick - 06-11-2021, 12:09 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by meadow-foreigner - 06-11-2021, 01:13 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by flofrog - 06-11-2021, 05:20 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Asolsutsesvyl - 06-12-2021, 07:08 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Patrick - 06-12-2021, 07:33 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by jafar - 06-15-2021, 01:26 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Azarnac - 06-12-2021, 10:32 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Asolsutsesvyl - 06-13-2021, 05:19 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Dtris - 06-13-2021, 09:16 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Azarnac - 06-14-2021, 05:50 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Asolsutsesvyl - 10-02-2021, 03:00 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by schubert - 06-13-2021, 02:56 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Patrick - 06-13-2021, 10:13 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by flofrog - 06-14-2021, 01:59 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Patrick - 06-15-2021, 07:28 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Nikki - 10-03-2021, 11:06 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Asolsutsesvyl - 10-05-2021, 08:55 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Nikki - 10-06-2021, 08:34 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by flofrog - 10-14-2021, 07:42 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Spiritual Ronin - 10-06-2021, 07:08 PM
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    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Sacred Fool - 05-24-2022, 03:00 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by flofrog - 05-24-2022, 03:15 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Asolsutsesvyl - 07-03-2022, 02:30 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by flofrog - 05-24-2022, 03:29 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by tadeus - 05-25-2022, 03:38 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Infinite Unity - 05-27-2022, 08:38 AM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by flofrog - 05-27-2022, 03:13 PM
    RE: Are those who don't honor logic deceitful egomaniacs? - by Sacred Fool - 07-04-2022, 01:35 AM

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