03-16-2011, 07:21 PM
(03-16-2011, 06:29 PM)Derek Wrote: You seem to think that anytime David talks about himself he is aggrandizing himself. Should David just never talk about himself at all? Carla talks about herself in many text documents, video and audio files. The Law of One talks about Carla tremendously. I know all about Carla's personal life and history because Ive heard her talk about it so much. She even sells products!!!!!! I could easily say that she is "aggrandizing herself" if I wanted to.
firstly, there isnt talk about Carla in Ra material, but 'the instrument'. that talk is depersonified to an extent that almost makes Carla appear as if she was not a real person.
secondly, there is talk about her, because of health problems. not because she needs reinforcement in the form of 'oh i wouldnt have you any other way !'.
l/l group, if you arent aware, is no longer channeling Ra, since their member died. and the channeled material they are working on since then, doesnt involve appeasing any particular entity's identity on the face of this planet.
Quote:David is CONSTANTLY telling people not to put him up on a pedestal, and that he is no better than anyone else. Does that sound like aggrandizement?
Davids channeling is literally 5 to 10 percent of his work.
the nature of his channeling makes his spiritual information unreliable. this is what we can conclude from the Ra quote i have linked. that is our main question here.
not david himself engaging in guitar work and so on.
Quote:He just lived with them for awhile until his higher self told him to leave. According to Carla they both felt that he can do his work much better in los angeles than kentucky, and they both enjoyed each other and speak positively of each other.
this is how he sees it.
regardless, he would have been with l/l, working on Ra channelings, had he been able to channel Ra. however, he is not.
(03-16-2011, 06:36 PM)yossarian Wrote: You seem to think that anything anyone does in 3D is STS regardless of intention.
intention does not change consequences. intentions of akhenaton were great, yet it resulted in distortions for him, and in the information he was supposed to convey. intentions of Ra was great, yet, it had resulted in karma.
intentions of the walk-in which entered lincoln's body was great, and not only his attitude is of service to the oppressed during his lifetime, but also he had succeeded in his mission, yet, its polarity was still reduced, even if slightly, due to the effects the thoughts of many people dying due to the ensuing war. this is despite he was detached from the results of what he was doing, and had not gained or lost any karma.
intention doesnt create polarity. intention is just the beginning. it needs to manifest in acceptable purity enough to manifest the polarity.
Quote:This is at odds with the definitions of polarity that Ra gives. Polarity is defined by intention and cannot be measured from outside by acts.
Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service-to-others and service-to-self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity.
You can't judge someone's polarity by looking at their actions. Only their intention matters.
with that, if an entity, truly thought that eradicating the evil was the good thing to do for service to other entities, it would make that act a positive act.
no - we can judge someone's polarity by looking at their actions. manifested actions, make up the polarity. even if the entity is polarized in a certain way in its unmanifested being, consistently behaving opposite to that polarity, even if with correct intentions, would reduce the overall polarity of the entity, leave aside the manifested portion.
lets make a case of the maldekians :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#1
Quote:10.1 Questioner: I think that it would clarify things for us if we went back to the time just before the transfer of souls from Maldek to see how the Law of One operated with respect to this transfer and why this transfer was necessary. What happened to the people of Maldek that caused them to lose their planet? How long ago did this event occur?
Ra: I am Ra. The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war. ......
Quote:It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity
You are trying to figure out if someone is STS or not by looking at the nouns and verbs they are using when they speak. This isn't going to tell you anything because the words they use do not determine polarity, the intention of the words determines polarity.
we are not judging the polarity of an entity, we are judging the reliability of david wilcock's channeling.
and, the picture in front of us fits what Ra speaks about channels being depolarized and compromised ; concentration on specific information, aggrandizement of self etc.
it doesnt matter whether wilcock is the most positively polarized entity to ever grace the planet - his channeled material shows the traits Ra spoke of as being depolarized. he may go from one end to other end in regard to being polarized/depolarized, however, this situation in itself makes the channelings unreliable - it would be impossible to determine whether he was compromised or not.
Quote:Have you read Carla's blog? The entire thing is about herself and like 3 other people. Does the focus on her self make it STS? No. The intention determines polarity and her intention in writing the blog is to share herself and her life and her perceptions, for the benefit of everyone.
David's intention with his blog is similar, and so naturally David talks about himself.
i think i dont need to reiterate that, i am talking about wilcock's channelings. not his personal life. same goes for others. however i actually already explained this above.
(03-16-2011, 06:40 PM)Derek Wrote: Intellectual dishonesty.
dishonesty in performing intellectual activities like thought or communication. Examples are:
* the advocacy of a position which the advocate knows or believes to be false or misleading
* the advocacy of a position which the advocate does not know to be true, and has not performed rigorous due diligence to ensure the truthfulness of the position
* the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_dishonesty
Your not focusing on 90% of his material and what he has done for the planet. Your choosing only to focus on the fact that he talks about himself in some of his personal channelings he posted on the internet.
You are using that as total proof that he is an egomaniac
You are denying
That he constantly tells people that he is no better than him. They can have all the abilities he has, and that he shouldn't be put up on a pedestal.
All the good works hes done
The positive things Carla and Scott Mandelker have said about him
Gives away 80% of his material for free
etc
and you are concentrating on me, debasing me instead of answering to the argument i proposed.
for something to be omitted as truth, it has to be relevant to the discussion at hand. you are arguing the greatness of this entity outside its channeling work, to show it as proof of his channeling's reliability, while his channeling concentrates on, well, david in a flattering sense.
however none of these change the fact that, you cannot exonerate an entity's channeling and make it reliable, judging by acts outside his channeling. that is totally leaving out the fact that he has an extreme amount of interest in conspiracy theories that directly deal with fear patterns in this society, from illuminati to other things.
almost all of the people who he 'awakened' comes with a strong package of conspiracy and fear material in their minds. this, we unfortunately saw in this forum too, during the discussions. that tells of important pointers as to the nature of the result he is producing with his work. basically, conspiracy/fear material, melded with Ra material. a situation of reliable information mixed up with fear information.
Quote:Your focusing on whether he says hes from Ra or not, and that he mentions some personal material in some of his readings.
quite.
in case you forgot, this is the forum that people converge to discuss Ra material. and hence, our second common ground and interest, after the interest in spiritualism, is Ra material itself.
therefore, i am indeed interested in, not surprisingly, ra material. and because it was proposed that this entity channels Ra, and reincarnation of another entity which had produced reliable channelings and confirmed by Ra, i have taken interest in this, and analyzed the situation and expressed my conclusion, again, on the basis of quotes from Ra material.
what we have from Ra shows that this entity does not channel Ra.
as for edgar cayce, we dont have a means to conclude decisively, however if we remember the fact that cayce continued to give readings until it killed him, we can also make up an opinion.