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    Thread: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest


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    03-17-2011, 02:06 PM
    (03-17-2011, 11:10 AM)deangraves Wrote:
    (03-17-2011, 10:25 AM)unity100 Wrote: significator is a term in Ra material that is apparently used to denote the overall resulting manifestation of the mind/body/spirit complex while incarnated and manifesting on the planet.

    I don't disagree with that, but I believe there is more to it. Both the pre-manifestation and actual manifestation are energy, and therefore has both static and kinetic attributes. If you limited the perspective to the static, it can be said to be only the physical manifestation which does not fulfill the purpose of the archetypes. But the archetypes set forth a process. The process proceeds from the matrix through experience in time/space. When we apply the significator (biases and prejudices) by assigning an emotional value to the experience, it becomes kinetic (part of our material manifestation). If we never apply an emotional value to the experience, it never manifests. If we use only the significator we remain asleep and repeat the cycle until we awaken and begin to use our freewill (take charge of our life). It is only then that we are able to begin to move into the Transcendence phase and evolve.

    I have to side with dean on this!!! He is attacking the point I have been trying to get at, and did so quite eloquently! I think central to both of our viewpoints is the following challenge: What comes first - the body or mind? If we come from the body, then I have to agree with unity's point of view. However, if we start from the mind, then we have to justify that. Our mind provides the illusion in which we live in, and it is up to us to control it towards a set goal. This is done through our decisions made every day; we choose who we are, what we look like, how we act, and what we say.

    I think what dean is also pointing out is that it is our "flavors" and our own understandings of the illusion that truly shape the 3rd density, in that the 3D world, as much as it is counter-intuitive, is not one of physicality and existence. It is one of self-awareness, and the net effect of that self-awareness leads to a certain appearance or configuration of the physical self. This is what separates humans from animals, and even "3D animals" from feral 2D ones. 2D entities are purely instinctual, and 3D could be seen as anything that is able to pervade that (ie self-awareness).

    Check out Ra's breakdown of what the shift into 3D constituted for our ancestors:
    Quote:19.10 Questioner: Can you tell me how this newly created physical complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?
    Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

    The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.

    There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.

    From this quote, I think there is reasonable doubt as to whether our 1D and 2D selfs come kit-and-parcel with 3D in a shift to a new plane. Each density, while intertwined with each other, still seem to be in activation individually as well as under the power of the senior density. If this is so, then dean's understanding of significators is not far off from exactly as unity described. Due to the senior density maintaining control over the lower densities, it maintains the overall manifestion of the mind/body/spirit. However, that does not mean that if 3D were stripped away, that the 1D and 2D selves would not remain. 3D means we choose our existence every day with every choice we make, thereby putting into existence our manifested self, good or bad.

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    Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-14-2011, 07:32 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-14-2011, 11:20 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 03-15-2011, 01:20 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by deangraves - 03-17-2011, 07:21 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-17-2011, 07:42 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by deangraves - 03-17-2011, 09:31 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 03-17-2011, 09:24 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-15-2011, 01:22 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-15-2011, 07:02 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by NegaNova - 03-15-2011, 01:35 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-15-2011, 12:43 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by turtledude23 - 03-15-2011, 01:20 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-15-2011, 01:40 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by kycahi - 03-15-2011, 02:19 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-16-2011, 02:55 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by NegaNova - 03-16-2011, 04:14 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 07:33 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-16-2011, 12:27 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Giri - 03-23-2011, 03:38 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 05-01-2011, 03:24 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 05-03-2011, 02:07 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 05-03-2011, 08:16 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 05-03-2011, 01:51 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 05-03-2011, 02:01 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by kycahi - 05-03-2011, 03:39 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 05-03-2011, 07:52 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Edinburgh - 05-04-2011, 11:25 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-16-2011, 07:14 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-16-2011, 08:22 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 08:28 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-16-2011, 08:30 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 08:32 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-16-2011, 08:43 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 10:25 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-16-2011, 09:10 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 12:49 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Eddie - 04-10-2011, 08:40 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by AnthroHeart - 03-16-2011, 02:22 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 02:34 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Whitefeather - 03-16-2011, 03:36 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 04:41 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 09:13 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 09:48 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 03-16-2011, 10:38 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011, 11:48 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by unity100 - 03-17-2011, 10:25 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by deangraves - 03-17-2011, 11:10 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-17-2011, 02:06 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-17-2011, 03:31 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-17-2011, 06:32 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-17-2011, 09:28 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-18-2011, 01:41 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 04-10-2011, 11:08 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Edinburgh - 04-10-2011, 06:29 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by unity100 - 04-10-2011, 10:18 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011, 11:11 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 04-10-2011, 11:27 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by unity100 - 04-10-2011, 01:45 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-18-2011, 02:41 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-18-2011, 04:43 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-18-2011, 05:27 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 03-19-2011, 02:17 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 03-18-2011, 07:23 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 04-10-2011, 11:00 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011, 11:31 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 04-10-2011, 11:41 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011, 12:08 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 04-10-2011, 12:56 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011, 03:35 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Ocean - 04-10-2011, 03:56 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011, 04:04 PM
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    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Edinburgh - 04-11-2011, 11:51 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 04-11-2011, 07:18 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by zenmaster - 04-11-2011, 08:07 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Edinburgh - 04-12-2011, 02:49 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-11-2011, 07:27 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by hogey11 - 04-12-2011, 11:47 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-12-2011, 05:03 AM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Edinburgh - 04-12-2011, 02:30 PM
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    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by 3DMonkey - 04-12-2011, 08:51 PM
    RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - by Edinburgh - 04-13-2011, 12:49 AM
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