(03-28-2011, 11:23 PM)unity100 Wrote: we dont have miscommunication. i understand what you are trying to say, however, im saying that explicitly expressed, reiterated concepts in Ra material have direct meanings unless implied.
ie, things like "these entities will have to die according to necessities of 3d" come after don trying to confirm specific things. and they explicitly state the nature of the confirmation. this is an occasional occurrence, however in the occasions it comes up, it is pretty much sharp, clear and precise in its meaning. down to the tiniest minuate sometimes.
if you want to cease discussing this matter, its fine by me.
Its not so much as I want to cease discussing it, but more that I'm not sure we will get anywhere.
The example you give is perfect. Ra states very clearly that "these entities will have to die according to necessities of 3D". You argue that Don is often very precise when these measures are given, and I agree with you, but I honestly believe Ra was being facetious. Don often asked Ra about these types of things in hopes to pinpoint some sort of future for ourselves, and in my opinion, Ra is only stating the obvious here. We will die one day. There is no getting out of it. However, Ra does not say "You will all drop dead at the bells of midnight!" either, which is why I feel this is not such a black/white issue.
I do not believe the 3D body will live on ad infinitum. "These entities will have to die according to 3D necessities" only means that our 3D selves must die one day. It does not mean we must all die at once. You also brought up 3D/4D being able to appreciate 4D vibrations, which for myself means that we can exist in 3D, but why wouldn't the opposite not be true as well? Maybe we'll be less advanced, or have shorter lifespans, but who is to say the hybrids won't be a part of building the bridge between densities? As abridgetoofar has mentioned, this gradual incarnational approach can allow for incarnations to separate the hybrids from the purebred 4Ds over time. Also, what do we know of the veil in 4D, other than its not nearly quite as much of a factor? If there is no veil in 4D, what does that mean for reincarnations? Will we have to 'wipe' our minds like in 3D, and if not, then isn't this all over nothing? In 4D, death may not mean the death of the mind like in 3D, and therefore could be a very different death than from what we experience. If this is true, which death does a 3D/4D entity experience after the shift to 4D?
In many ways, everything you have pointed out to me has made me more clear in my resolve. I am watching the world around me and I can sense a great change coming; one in which all of us in the light will need to shine and help implement a new world. Think of it from a wanderer's perspective even - they come to witness and help along harvest yet they have no part in the building of the new sphere? There just seems to be a continuity gap in there somewhere...
I will warn you: I am stubborn. I have my head in the clouds. It's not a good combination, and as 3DMonkey says, I will agree to disagree until i'm blue in the face
@3Dmonkey
Quote:If it is gradual, then what do we suppose is the process of all the unharvestables that will be relocating? Does a gradualistic idea have an earth where only 4D positive harvestables are existing in dual bodies, whilst the 4D negs and the 3Ds Unharvestables are gone?
I agree largely with abridgetoofar on this. I have a few ideas of what could happen, but I think ultimately it will be the advent of the fully activated 4D sphere that ends up determining all.
One thing I remember is that Ra says that in 4D, there is no intermingling between STO and STS like there is in 3D, and I wonder if this will be one of the first manifestations of the 4D sphere. A very natural 'sorting', if you will, based on STS and STO behaviors. As each incarnation dies off, it only reincarnates if it is 4D positive, otherwise it is allotted elsewhere.
Just a thought