04-25-2011, 12:57 PM
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Monica, you are not seeing this as I see it.
Ha, I could say the same!

(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You fear for the "victim", but the victim is in a STS stance as well. We are looking at two people in an STS relationship. Both are vulnerable. Both are in need of love/light. The "victim" is equally responsible for the situation both entities are in.
Ultimately, of course. But do you see how that line of thinking could taken to the degree of not helping those in need, because "it's their karma"? I know people who say they'd walk away from such a situation, so as "not to interfere."
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: There is only now. Either we accept now, or we control.
It's not so black-and-white. Ra stated explicitly that, in order to remain polarized STO and be effective, they refuse the service of the STS entity.
We aren't controlling the STS entity if we simply decline their offer of service.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You can control the actions of the murderer to stop him, and you place yourself in an STS relationship with him at this point.
If his actions didn't affect anyone, then interfering with his choices would indeed be control. But if he is projecting onto someone else, interfering with their free will, karmic or not, and we accept that interference by allowing him to commit an act of violence, then that isn't controlling him; it's declining his offer of service.
Conversely, if we don't refuse his action of violent service, we are contributing to his STS action, and that would be STS polarizing for us.
I contend that allowing him to commit an act of violence against another, when we have the ability to stop him, is more depolarizing to our STO polarity, than stopping him is polarizing STS.
As Ra indicated, it's a dance. Not so simple.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You can accept him now, and place yourself in an STO relationship with him now. Being murdered is not to be feared if you are actively loving the aggressor.
Sure, allowing him to murder would be the ultimate expression of 4D love. This is what Jesus demonstrated. But he apparently chose to do that, because it served his greater mission. That was an exceptional circumstance. And Ra has indicated that his choice lacked wisdom.
That was ok in that particular case, because his mission was to demonstrate 4D love, so that 3D entities could reach for it, though rarely reaching such a high percentage of it.
Not even Ra submits to the aggression of STS entities.
Why? Because Ra has the benefit of 5D wisdom.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: In fact, to fear the aggressor's actions places you in a state of fear, which leads to actions of STS.
Declining the aggressor's offer of violent service need not be based on fear. I doubt that Ra fears those STS entities who were messing with them.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: the third party which you call "victim" is not a factor.
All parties are factors in any dynamic.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: The "needs" of each are different. To look on the "victim" with pity is not love. You look them in the eye and say "stand up and walk!".
So, you do all that in those few seconds? What if the victim is a child?
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You underestimate the power of love, and you see it as secondary to forceful control.
No, not at all. I absolutely believe in the power of love. You misunderstand me. My point is that one can simultaneously love the other-self, while choosing to decline their offer of negative service.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: there is no definite answer because all experience is unique.
Very true. Which is precisely why I am attempting to convey a concept. The illustration is just to show an extreme example of when "I love you" might not work quickly enough to stop the violence, and in such cases, it's acceptable to decline the offer of negative service, in order to serve the STO objective, which might be to protect one's family, remain in 3D to accomplish a higher mission, or whatever.
(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I remember a time in high school
That's very cool and explains why you see it as you do. That is your experience, and it's natural to expect that future situations might be similar.
But, as you said, each situation is different.