(04-25-2011, 09:10 AM)unity100 Wrote:(04-25-2011, 08:22 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would like to point out, Unity, that Ra said STS lie to positively oriented channels. Ra explicitly states that when contacting a negatively oriented channel, they do not find it necessary to lie. The supposed channeler of this information is indeed STS.
Quote:12.15 If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.
that is not something particular to contacting entities in 3d planets through channeling or other means. there is not an exception there.
lying, withholding/distorting of truth, manipulation have been described as properties of negative path.
the first requirement for honesty comes in early 6th density, and this is one of the reasons why service to self entities end up turning back to positive at the start of 6th density - because indigo ray requires a measure of truth.
before that point, blue is missing from the negative model. blue as in communication, honesty.
Quote:Within the Helping_Hand session there are explanations for all of this. I'm not going to continue to point out all of these facts, because you could read the manuscript yourself and realize what you are saying could be explained within it.
I'd like to express a third time my neutral stance on the material. It is obvious to me, though, that many here choose to judge it vehemently, with almost religious fervor, without even reading through the entire manuscript. In my opinion, such strong preconceptions are dangerous.
First off, i'm totally on board with Austin here. All the 'problems that unity is bringing up are explained in the HH channel, and much of it completely resonates with the LOO material. Are there slight differences? Of course! It's a different channel, with a different experience within their framework. Just like no two humans are alike, I believe no two channels would be alike either.
I'm sorry unity, but you speak as tho you hold some sort of authority over us all, and it bugs me. Let's be frank: we are speaking about channeled sources here, and you are upholding these texts so strictly that it is claustrophobic. Q'uo has stated multiple times that Ra has wrongly predicted and estimated many things; do you contend that the Ra channel is 100% absolutely perfect? I do not. I think there are some inconsistencies, due to the medium in which the information was delivered in that channeling is no easy process. I think we should retain a small amount of humility when we discuss these matters; none of us KNOW.
As far as your points here, where is your proof? Where are Ra's rules for internet forums? What is your proof that HH is a complete lie, other than your personal understanding of the rules and restrictions of 6th density negative?
Here's a thought: what is HH is a 3D entity who was told all this information, and then, as a 3D entity, decided to CHOOSE to share this information, even though it was frowned upon? Yes, it will cause a polarity loss, but hey, we're in 3D, right?
I'm trying to say that 'just because you say so' is never going to be good enough for me, and I will question anything that does not resonate. I hate to say it, but your fact-checking absolute opinions do not resonate with me; much is changing in the world right now and my understanding of everything changes more and more each day. We must know we do not know.
I'm would like to apologize in advance if this seems a little too aggressive (the indigo in me), but i'm kinda fired up i guess... Love y'all, especially you, unity100. I mean this as a well-natured challenge, and I hope you don't take this negatively.