STS Lies

[Bring4th_Austin]

Exactly! The point isn't that they only lie, but that they lie a lot, so can't be trusted. How could we trust someone who has a track record of lying? How would we know if they're telling the truth or not?

But certainly another STS entity would know this, right? Why would they trust each other? Why would an STS group channel an STS entity when we can't know if they're telling the truth or not? It would seem to make STS channeling pointless to the eyes of the channeler, yet it still happens. And I know that STSers aren't naive nor stupid, and still there is trust.

On top of that, Ra says that they don't lie to STS channels. They provide no exceptions to this statement. It seems to me that these things combined suggests that STS entities CAN be trusted by STS channelers.

The characteristic of STS is that they are only concerned with self. The methods of lying or truth telling are employed to serve their own interests, whatever they may be. The only way to know their nature is to be able to see their energy chakras. Since we cannot do that we seek within to attempt to recognize our own nature. Even then, we can not be sure.

This is where I'm getting confused, because Ra clearly tells us that they don't find it necessary to lie to STS channelers. I can definitely imagine some gain to be had from manipulating any open channel, why only manipulate the STO?

This thread is born from the idea I've perceived from some forum members that STS entities will only communicate lies and deceit.

that is probably meant for me.

Probably, if you're a social memory complex and consider yourself multiple forum members

This topic would have been in reply to you in a derailed thread but you are not the center of that statement by any means.

i have not said that sts entities ONLY communicate lies and deceit.

i have said that, sts entities seek to serve only the self, at all costs - even at the cost of violating free will, if they will be able to subdue. (remember mass landing talk in Ra material).

thus, sts entities can even violate the most fundamental rule of this creation if they calculate that they can pull it off.

that is as high as it gets. there is no higher rule known that, they can violate. the law of free will is the highest.

a source that can violate (apparently) the most fundamental law of this creation would not hesitate in lying to anyone, at any point, at any place. for, there are no rules in regard to honesty, until early 6th density starts to require some measure of honesty.

What do you have to say about the Ra quote, saying STS channeled beings do not find it necessary to lie to STS channelers? Ra pointed out that lies and manipulation were presented to STO channelers, and specifically stated differently about STS channelers.

as for 'teachers', remember that, sts entities seek to learn sts path. and any kind of sts act, would be teaching. includes lying to serve self.

So you are saying that the STSers learn from their teachers' lies? I can definitely see that, but what about Ra saying that straight STS philosophy is dispensed? It would not be considered STS philosophy itself if it were a lie...possibly STS lessons, but STS philosophy would be straightforward.

it is appalling that people can attribute any modicum of honesty to service to self path. realizing that 'serving self by enslaving others' would include lying to reach that end, should not be so elusive ?

The elusive part to me is that, according to Ra, there is honest communication among STS entities. Isn't that attributing a modicum of honesty to STS? There has to be some sort of trust for a channeler to effectively receive STS philosophy, or even further, technical information.

What makes something a lie? I don't quite understand this, there are only relativities. I understand the nature of lying is in "lack of similarity" between two perspectives when one entity is conscious of this lack and the other is not, however can the truth not be equally enslaving to some souls? A very confusing point...

I think what most people consider a lie in this case would be deliberate dishonesty in the spirit of manipulation. Speaking from your mention of perspective, one entity perceives something and tells another entity something different, predicting the outcome to result in self-benefit.