(05-15-2011, 10:27 AM)zenmaster Wrote: We glimpse the present moment more and more, our awareness starts to center itself in the one present moment, we see our thoughts arising with less identification, and we live life more and more as it is - less confused, more able to accept, happier, and more free from mental patterning and related pathologies. This freedom has been called 'enlightenment'. But of course there is always more freedom available, and therefore always more 'enlightenment'.
That is powerful, zenmaster. Enlightenment = Freedom. I never thought of it that way. It makes much sense now. Freedom for the self to portray what it has been before the beginning of time itself, which is the creator. That paragraph of yours took away much dense nebulousness around the concept of enlightenment for me.
Thanks for that, zen.
(05-15-2011, 11:39 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Hi guys.
I've generally viewed the perspective of viewing the present moment as simply a new set of mental pattern and pathology, not a lightening of this phenomenon.
Enlightenment, to me, is simply accepting a new possiblity that one previously rejected (most likely due to patterning).
Isn't that more directly related to releasing past karma in order to pave the way for setting aright imbalances?
(05-15-2011, 12:41 PM)Icaro Wrote: Sure, there are many definitions of enlightenment that encompass many things...
Icaro, that indeed was truly a magnificent post. Very articulate and precise in terms of delineating subtle spiritual points from the LOO. I benefited much. Thanks for taking the time to make such a detailed and well-written post.
I would appreciate some additional points on particular line you wrote --
(05-15-2011, 12:41 PM)Icaro Wrote: ...view the creation for what it is.
What do you personally think creation is in terms of 'what it is', Icaro? I have pondered this point at length many times, but only scratched my head mostly. Is it just a mental phenomenon and agglomeration of blind impersonal powers, which defeats our thirst for certain outcomes/justice?
(05-15-2011, 03:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's also necessarily acceptance of other-self. Jung referred to this process as 'individualization', as in the individual is more and more free from the thoughts of other selves (the 'collective' or status quo).
And probably vice versa too. The individual on the other side too could be individuating strongly and essential core interests may thus clash. I think that is why the battle of wills or the thought-wars become more predominant. In our world, that manifests as wars on the physical planes too, I guess.
Acceptance though widely bandied around, is not easy to achieve at all, in my opinion. It essentially is difficult because the slightest imbalance can make the one who accepts vulnerable to the power that others may wield. In other words, it directly makes us confront the loneliness of the inner self, which owns everything, but yet nothing!!