06-14-2011, 07:30 AM
(06-13-2011, 08:39 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: To get slightly personal, there are underlying reasons why I believe in a gradual transition, and I'll explain a little about it. I see danger within a belief system which promotes a day of salvation; some specific point in the future where the world will change on its own and we are left with only positive things to work with. I find it to be in line with the return of Jesus that fundamentalist Christians hide behind as an excuse to rape our Earth of natural resources, etc. If we believe in a day will come where all of the negative people will disappear, all of the systems which don't work will automatically fail, and we're given only positive things to work with, it gives us very little reason to strive for a better tomorrow.
your points are all valid.
however if it is as i have mentioned, it doesnt have any such connotations, since it will be a day in which just what was necessary to happen would happen. salvation this that, these are all passing stories and stuff in the journey of a spirit. an entity which needs an experience in another nexus would get placed to a totally different nexus in the blink of an eye by its totality.
Quote:I hope that in my striving for objectivity, I can put this personal belief down and analyze the words of Ra loyally and without influence, no matter how transient or prophetic. I feel it is an important exercise, and I feel like the Ra material is the perfect tool to use this exercise. Of course, complete objectivity is impossible, and I can't say that my personal beliefs don't push me to continue this discussion.
or you can see it so that this logos is teaching something particular at this junction to all participating spirits, and it will continue teaching it until the very last moment arrives. and when the moment is passed, lessons learned, nexus complete, everyone goes their way.
Quote:I have been trying to avoid using the Q'uo channelings out of respect for unity and his expressed views on them.
i dont particularly dislike quo channelings. but i cant trust them either.
(06-13-2011, 11:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(06-13-2011, 10:17 PM)Raman Wrote: It is becoming a moot point. To me, now, it is a choice. I understand you have little kids etc and orange ray of protection takes over and it is understandable. However, in my opinion, such thinking hinders evolution.
To be fair Raman, I feel you are projecting things onto the opposing viewpoint. In another thread, you projected the thought that a belief in gradual transition meant someone was okay with the suffering in 3D, even going so far to say that they "didn't deserve to be harvested." You also projected the idea that someone that believed in gradual transition must be "tolerant to 3D and not ready for 4D," and "scared of losing their 3D body."
Here, you are projecting the idea that 3DMonkey is caught in orange ray protection of his tribe, with little basis for that accusation.
Why do you feel the need to apply such things to someone who opposes your viewpoint? Why reach into others' personal lives like that with no basis of knowing who they really are?
lets admit it - all of us have this or that worry for someone we know. even if we know that the journey is eternal and those people will also pass over whatever they are going through here, we always want them to pass over soon, now. its not unnatural.